XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: gburnore@databasix.com   
      
   On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:51:51 -0400, Steve    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the   
   >TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell  wrote:   
   >>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser   
   >>   
   >>> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They   
   >>> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.   
   >>>   
   >>> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!   
   >>>   
   >>> False dichotomy fallacy.   
   >>>   
   >>> > Better   
   >>> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the   
   >>> > people, as you claim to be the case.   
   >>>   
   >>> I made no such claim about signs.   
   >>   
   >>Let me give you my thoughts:   
   >>   
   >>Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are   
   >>meaningful and profitable...   
   >   
   >Red Light Cameras are meaningful.  Anything that inhibits red light   
   >running is meaningful.   
      
   Studies have shown that red light cameras not only do NOT decrase the   
   running of red lights, but also makes it worse because people speed up   
   to try to avoid them, making wrecks worse.   
      
   It's why many states have stopped them.  Income generators like speed   
   cameras (which also really do nothing except bring income to the   
   operating company and not so much the states) don't cause the same   
   safety issues as red light cameras so they're more likely to stay   
   around.   
      
   Soon, we'll all have to carry one of those little snapshot things like   
   Progressive insurance is touting.  Keeps track of your driving habits.   
      
   People who think RL cameras are meaningful, are the same time that   
   will think it's ok to force people to use these little privacy   
   invaders.   
      
   Speed is seldom the cause of an accident and only a contributing   
   factor in less than half.  It is, however, a money generator.   
      
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