XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: gburnore@databasix.com   
      
   On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:29:05 -0400, Steve    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:18:59 -0700 (PDT), N8N    
   >wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Apr 26, 10:00 am, Steve  wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT), N8N    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> >On Apr 26, 9:47 am, Steve  wrote:   
   >>> >> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:36:08 -0700 (PDT), N8N    
   >>> >> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >On Apr 26, 9:28 am, Steve  wrote:   
   >>> >> >> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:25:09 -0700 (PDT), N8N    
   >>> >> >> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >On Apr 26, 8:17 am, Steve  wrote:   
   >>> >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:10:15 -0700 (PDT), N8N    
   >>> >> >> >> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >On Apr 26, 7:51 am, Steve  wrote:   
   >>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the   
   >>> >> >> >> >> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >>  wrote:   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell    
   wrote:   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the   
   Beach Cruiser   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed   
   Cameras. They   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic   
   that much.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at   
   all!   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> False dichotomy fallacy.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> > Better   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers   
   not protect the   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> > people, as you claim to be the case.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >> I made no such claim about signs.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >Let me give you my thoughts:   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed   
   Cameras are   
   >>> >> >> >> >> >meaningful and profitable...   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. Anything that inhibits red   
   light   
   >>> >> >> >> >> running is meaningful.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> >Red light cameras don't inhibit RLRing.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >> Of course they do.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >What a thoughtful, well-reasoned response.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> >nate   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >> Much like what I was responding to.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >I see you have failed to grasp the difference between "argument" and   
   >>> >> >"contradiction."   
   >>>   
   >>> >> >A quick search of this august froup (RAD) will easily yield many cites   
   >>> >> >that show that sometimes, yes, RLCs will decrease the incidence of   
   >>> >> >RLRing, but usually at the cost of an increase in rear-enders. Proper   
   >>> >> >yellow light timing per ITE guidelines w/o installation of RLCs will   
   >>> >> >decrease the incidence of RLRing FAR more dramatically - we're talking   
   >>> >> >an order of magnitude here - with NO corresponding increase in rear-   
   >>> >> >enders.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> I'm quite sure you can find people who make those claims. I don't   
   >>> >> believe them..   
   >>>   
   >>> >Have you done any reading?  Or are you simply pulling your opinions   
   >>> >out of the lower end of your alimentary canal?   
   >>>   
   >>> >> as far as rear ender crashes are concerned, they are   
   >>> >> easily remedied when the people who do the rear-ending slow down and   
   >>> >> stop instead of planning on running the red light.   
   >>>   
   >>> >Who I have no control over, personally, when I'm driving in front of   
   >>> >them.   
   >>>   
   >>> You have even less control over the red light runner who might t-bone   
   >>> you as you proceed though the intersection on a green light   
   >>>   
   >>> >Keep in mind that they are also being "tricked" by short yellows.   
   >>>   
   >>> Blah, blah, blah..   
   >>   
   >>Another intelligent, well-reasoned response.   
   >   
   >That's all an unsupported opinion deserves..   
      
   This really is the best you can do, isn't it?   
      
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