XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: crwlrjeff@yahoo.com   
      
   "Gary L. Burnore"  wrote in message   
   news:ip7a2d$e5a$14@nntpd.databasix.com...   
   > On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:01:56 +0000 (UTC), "5995 Dead, 1138 since   
   > 1/20/09"  wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:12:24 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> "Steve"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:lvsdr6562v5l5trsg48vb36jrarhdk7la3@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:57:30 -0500, "NotMe"  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>"Steve"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:fccdr6d0kt7d11l40ji5sl9572ipriktp9@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the   
   >>>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach   
   >>>>>>>> Cruiser   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras.   
   >>>>>>>> > They   
   >>>>>>>> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that   
   >>>>>>>> > much.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> > Better   
   >>>>>>>> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not   
   >>>>>>>> > protect the   
   >>>>>>>> > people, as you claim to be the case.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Let me give you my thoughts:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are   
   >>>>>>>meaningful and profitable...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful.  Anything that inhibits red light   
   >>>>>> running is meaningful.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Simply increasing the yellow on time by one second has been shown to   
   >>>>>decrease the most dangerous accidents by over 70%.   Red light cameras   
   >>>>>have   
   >>>>>been shown to increase rear end accidents significantly.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> So says you, huh?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Technically, almost everybody that knows this stuff says so.   
   >>> Technically.   
   >>>   
   >>> It appears that you are one of the few that are not up to speed on this   
   >>> issue.   
   >>   
   >>He's getting more desperate in his trolling.  Nobody takes him seriously   
   >>any more.   
   >   
   > I troll.  His posts aren't trolling. He really believes the shit he   
   > spews.  That's not trolling.  That's just fucking stupid.   
   > --   
      
      
   The only reports that support red light cameras come from the insurance   
   companies that get to raise rates on red light runners, and the   
   administrators of the camera systems.   
      
   All of the other studies tend to support the idea that red light cameras are   
   the cause of accidents.   
      
      
      
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