XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: dead@gone.com   
      
   On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:31:15 -0400, Dave Head wrote:   
      
   > On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:14:50 +0000 (UTC), "6139 Dead, 1282 since   
   > 1/20/09"  wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 12:52:44 -0400, Dave Head wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:50:35 +0000 (UTC), "6139 Dead, 1282 since   
   >>> 1/20/09"  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:07:55 -0400, Dave Head wrote: AQ, eh.  So which   
   >>>>bridges have they blown up?  Be specific, now.   
   >>>   
   >>> They planned to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge, but were foild due to our   
   >>> depriving them of proper training facilities by going and kicking   
   >>> their asses in Afganistan, and waterboarding the hell out of KSM until   
   >>> he gave up the name of the guy that was going to do it.  They   
   >>> interecepted him in I think it was either Columbus or Cincinnati,   
   >>> Ohio.   
   >>   
   >>Somebody in Afghanistan was planning on blowing up the Brooklyn bridge?   
   >>So who was the guy who was going to do it, and what evidence is there   
   >>that information extorted under torture was legitimate?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Had we NOT been in Afghanistan and Iraq we might not have gotten KSM   
   >>> and then we likely would NOT have known of this guy and the Brooklyn   
   >>> Bridge would likely be at the bottom of the river now.   
   >>>   
   >>Um, bubbles?  Khalid was captured in Pakistan.   
   >>   
   >>Not Iraq.  Not Afghanistan.   
   >>   
   >>I note that he also claimed under torture that if OBL were captured or   
   >>killed, a massive nuclear explosion would go off in a major European   
   >>city.   
   >>   
   >>Care to tell us which city was destroyed?   
   >>   
   >>>>The plans that never amounted to anything more than scribbles on the   
   >>>>back of a napkin?  Those plans?   
   >>>   
   >>> Exactly.  Those plans were prevented from coming to fruition due to   
   >>> our armed interference in Afghanistan and Iraq.  If we had never gone   
   >>> to the middle east, we likely would be witnessing these attacks   
   >>> succeed, and maybe you would even have to worry about getting blown up   
   >>> by an IED on your way to work.   
   >>>   
   >>>>If you want to worry about terrorists, worry about home-grown nazis   
   >>>>with arsenals.  What happened in Norway yesterday was the same as what   
   >>>>happened in OKC and Columbine here.  America has much more to worry   
   >>>>about from native right wing fruit loops then it does from the   
   >>>>thoroughly defanged al Qaida.   
   >>>   
   >>> We've only had one Timothy McVeigh over the years, just 1.  And, if we   
   >>> don't worry about the foreign terorists, we'll have the domestic   
   >>> terrorist PLUS the foreign terrorists making this place a scary place   
   >>> to live.  Wanna allow that to happen?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>And you know what?  All that money being spent on military shit won't   
   >>>>do a damn bit of good against terrorists, whether they are al Qaida or   
   >>>>local, because the entire PURPOSE of terrorist cabels is to nullify   
   >>>>and even defeat vastly superior military forces.   
   >>>   
   >>> Its not working out very well for them.  They keep losing high-ranking   
   >>> SOB's one after the other to our troops and to our predator drones.   
   >>>   
   >>> A defensive war is not a war you can win.  You have to go defeat the   
   >>> enemy, or you will eventually lose.  And you will suffer many dead.   
   >   
   > Look, bonehead, we're not getting the domestic attacks 'cuz we've   
   > disrupted their ability to do that by killing them a lot, and depriving   
   > them of the training areas they need to train people how to make bombs   
   > go boom.  The NY Times Square bomber's stuff didn't go boom 'cuz his   
   > training sucked, and he didn't have a clue why his bomb didn't explode   
   > after it failed to do so.   
      
   Actually, the only effective weapon is good intelligence.  As for bombing   
   the shit out of people in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'll bet that the next   
   successful attack on America will come from someone whose daughter's   
   weddig was bombed by Americans, or Pakistani family was wiped out by an   
   American drone.   
      
   We're creating far more future enemies than we're eliminating.   
   >   
   > Get a life.  Your pacifist drivel would just lead to the war being   
   > fought here, every day, and maybe you'd die and may I'd die WITHOUT   
   > going to Afghanistan or Iraq.  I'm 64 years old, I retire in 23 weeks   
   > and 6 days, and if I'm lucky, 12 of the weeks will be spent in Iraq   
   > assisting our troops in testing an anti-IED "device" which is all I'm   
   > going to say about it this publically. If its successful there, we'll   
   > save a lot of Americans.  I imagine that doesn't mean much to you, but   
   > it does to me.  But that's how we advance our abilities to protect this   
   > country, by taking the fight to the enemy.  Why don't you grow a pair   
   > and get on board, and quit whining about the poor, downtrodden   
   > terrorists that we kill.  They deserve it.   
      
   64, and you're still a fucking imbecile. I very seriously doubt the   
   veracity of any of your other claims.   
      
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