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   From: cf005@FreeNet.Carleton.CA   
      
   "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" (comandante.banana@yahoo.com)   
   writes:   
   > On Dec 28, 9:52 pm, Alan Moore  wrote:   
   >> On 12/27/2011 3:38 AM, Polarhound wrote:   
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   >> > On 12/26/2011 10:55 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher   
   wrote:   
   >> >> On Dec 26, 2:29 pm, "Vito" wrote:   
   >> >>> "TibetanMonkey wrote in message   
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   >> >>> | "Researchers examined data from 1964 to 2009 and found that the   
   >> >>> | chances of more than 2 centimeters of snow on the ground on December   
   >> >>> | 25th had declined by a quarter."   
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   >> >>> Sure, but folks smarter than they say that melting polar ice will   
   >> >>> stop the   
   >> >>> thermal conveyer and bring an ice age to Europe, et al, that may last   
   >> >>> centuries. It's cyclic.   
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   >> >> But a crisis of this magnitude in this short time can only happen   
      
      
   Crisis of this magnitude?? That's rich!   
      
      
   >> >> because of man-made factors. We could be trying to prevent it from   
   >> >> worsening, but we are acting like we don't care.   
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   >> > News flash: Your side's data in this "debate" was already outed as   
   >> > manipulated and fraudulent. Come back when you have anything *snort*   
   >> > concrete.   
      
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   >> "Manipulated" yes, "Fraudulent" no.   
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   >> The manipulations performed on the raw data were not done with the   
   >> intent of producing false conclusions, nor has anyone demonstrated that   
   >> false conclusions resulted from the manipulations.   
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   In the early 1970's, the Canadian Coast Guard observed a   
   polar bear (Thalarctos maritimus) swim 200 miles. This   
   was the record until this year. This past summer a polar   
   bear fitted with a radio collar swam over 400 miles. This   
   would be same as putting the bear in Lake Erie, at   
   Buffalo N.Y, and having it swim the the length of Lake   
   Erie to Detroit Mich., and then having it turn around   
   and swim back down the lake to Cleveland Ohio.   
      
   Because a polar bear doesn't look like a fish, Al Gore   
   (with his one dimensional thinking) *concluded* polar   
   bears couldn't swim!   
      
      
      
      
   > I haven't seen a concept that's manipulated, particularly those   
   > abstract issues such as democracy.   
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   > Some even say it's a lie.   
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