XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: dead@gone.com   
      
   On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:00:33 -0700, sms88 wrote:   
      
   > On 8/12/2012 1:00 PM, 3142 Dead wrote:   
   >   
   >>> Following the logic of the API, which claims that oil companies make   
   >>> less than 7% profit, 20% is extremely generous.   
   >>   
   >> None of which stops right wingers from howling that it's a communist   
   >> plot to foist single-payer on us all.  Billionaires have a gawd-given   
   >> right to make serious bank off all those sick kids!   
   >   
   > Single-payer has little chance of coming to the U.S.. Too bad, since   
   > it's very good for both business and the health care recipients. The   
   > U.S. had lost tens of thousands of jobs to countries with single-payer.   
   > Toyota abandoned NUMMI and moved Corolla production to Canada partly   
   > because the health care costs in the U.S. were so high that it was   
   > cheaper to manufacture in Canada and ship vehicles back to the U.S..   
   >   
   > What is difficult to understand is how gullible the right wing is.   
   > They'll consistently vote against the best interests of the country,   
   > themselves, and their families because they actually believe what the   
   > banking industry, the oil industry, the health care industry, and the   
   > Heritage Foundation tell them to believe. Is it just ignorance, or do   
   > they really believe so many things that are not so? The lack of critical   
   > thinking skills is shocking. Or maybe not, since the Republican party   
   > has explicitly come out against the teaching of critical thinking skills   
   > in schools.   
      
   It helps if you think of a large segment of the right to be a cult.  They   
   are constantly inculcated with the same messages over and over, told to   
   avoid external influences, and told that all such influences are, at   
   best, misguided, and at worst, evil.  That's why you see so many righties   
   here referring to non-believers--religious and political--as commies,   
   Moslems, or America haters.   
   >   
   > Maybe the key to educating the right wing is to always try to explain   
   > things with Ronald Reagan quotes.   
      
   A good idea, but people have been trying that with religious righties,   
   who seem to believe Jesus was an Ayn Rand devotee, for some time, quoting   
   the bible.  It doesn't work.   
   >   
   > For example, while Reagan opposed socialized medicine, he was very much   
   > in favor of a plan like Obamacare. "I have always felt that medical care   
   > should be available for those who cannot otherwise afford it. I have   
   > been looking into a program whereby government might pay the premiums   
   > for health insurance for those who cannot afford it and, at the same   
   > time, make such premiums for others a tax credit or deduction,   
   > preferably credit to encourage more use of private health insurance."   
   >   
   > The problem with the individual mandate in Obamacare is that it should   
   > have been structured the opposite way. Increase the income tax rate   
   > slightly, then give a deduction for purchasing insurance, rather than   
   > keeping tax rates the same and assessing a penalty for not purchasing   
   > insurance. Of course the reason it's the way that it is is there was no   
   > way Obama could have gotten it passed with a tax deduction for   
   > purchasing insurance.   
   >   
   > Of course Reagan also signed the EMTALA into law, mandating that   
   > hospitals provide emergency care to those that could not pay, but not   
   > providing any funding for the mandate. Today's right wingers would no   
   > doubt oppose the EMTALA since it forces all of us to pay for poor   
   > people’s medical care indirectly. It also imposes restrictions on   
   > hospitals, and explicitly requires treatment for illegal aliens.   
      
   And would be furious with you for mocking Reagan's legacy by dwelling on   
   those little uncharacteristic items that were doubtlessly forced on him   
   by communists, Mexicans, atheists and Hollywood.   
      
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