XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: demi@moore.net   
      
   On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:02:58 +0000 (UTC), Brent   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 2012-08-12, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher  wrote:   
   >> It wasn't through the books, my GF was sick and you know what being   
   >> sick means in America. The medical industry itself makes you sick plus   
   >> your own sickness. But wait, someone said she could be seen by a   
   >> doctor (a real doctor) for 25 bucks! I thought it was a practical joke   
   >> or perhaps a cruel joke. We got to the place and it was a very nice! I   
   >> mean it was a trailer, but nice. The people were friendly, telling   
   >> jokes, and the doctor showed up. No long wait either. She was seen...   
   >> NEUMONIA! "C'mon, guys, where's the joke!?" I thought. Well, they are   
   >> subsidized by the government, and that means SOCIALISM.   
   >   
   >> I always had my doubts about it --bloated bureaucracy and free   
   >> handouts-- but here it was, real socialism in the state of New York. I   
   >> played this joke on the nurse: "Listen, we can get sick in Miami, get   
   >> a plane here and keep the change!" She didn't laugh that much perhaps   
   >> that would be an abuse of the program. This is for the local people   
   >> and not for anybody else. I said, "Is this a program prevalent in NY?"   
   >> She said "no" but wouldn't elaborate that much. Best of all, my GF was   
   >> never asked if she was an indigent.   
   >>   
   >> Now I'm not afraid to be called a socialist. But notice, NOTHING FREE.   
   >> It makes sense: AFFORDABLE BUT NOT FREE. Not even Obamacare can beat   
   >> that. Simple and fair. That's my proposal at the next meeting of the   
   >> Revolutionary Committee in Exile.   
   >>   
   >> It is said the revolution is about solutions.   
   >   
   >If medical care were free market it would be affordable.   
   >However it hasn't been free market for roughly a hundred years. Where   
   >government started first with licensing and then progressively doing   
   >more and more to increase the profits of what is essentially, a cartel.   
   >   
   >Now if you want socialism instead of corporatism/fascism you'll just pay   
   >high taxes and get next to nothing. But that next to nothing will be   
   >affordable.   
   >   
      
      
   The biggest reason, IMHO, that health care costs got out of hand is   
   because there is no $$$$$ connection between the HC Provider and the   
   HC receiver.  No one who goes to the doctor cares what it all costs   
   because "the insurance will pay for it".  Look at what it costs to   
   treat an animal at the vets compared to the equivalent procedure for a   
   human.  The amount of schooling is about the same for a vet as for an   
   MD.  The reason the vet is so much cheaper is because the person   
   GETTING the service is also the person PAYING for the service.   
      
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