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   "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"   
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   news:15c12443-8aa6-40a4-854c-066128994279@h10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Aug 14, 8:08 pm, Steve  wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:49 +0000 (UTC), 3142 Dead   
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   >> >On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:26:47 +0000, Brent wrote:   
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   >> >> On 2012-08-14, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher   
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   >> >>> Wait, wait, Jesus was a socialist!   
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   >> >> False.   
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   >> >>>  He shared everything with his   
   >> >>> "troop" and the whole world for that matter.   
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   >> >> That's lead by example or simply voulunteerism. JC as far as   
   >> >> I know   
   >> >> never threatened violence to force other people to share   
   >> >> their goods.   
   >> >> Socialism uses the threat of violence to make people share.   
   >> >> The state   
   >> >> forces transfer from some people to some other people.   
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   >> >Socialism doesn't not fit your ignorant crackpot definition.   
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   >> Porky imagines that under socialism everybody just comes   
   >> together   
   >> singing kumbayah and sharing everything they have..   
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   > No, it's not quite that way. There are other motivations as well:   
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   > On Aug 14, 7:46 pm, Andre Jute  wrote:   
   >> On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:42:13 PM UTC+1, TibetanMonkey, the   
   >> Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:   
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   >> > On Aug 14, 3:52 pm, Jay Beattie    
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   >> > > On Aug 13, 6:57 pm, Andre Jute  wrote:   
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   >> > > > Another dumb thread by a monkey who can't even look up   
   >> > > > readily available figures to discover that Canadian   
   >> > > > physicians earn more than American ones on average.   
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   >> > > > And now his latest fad is being a socialist.   
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   >> > > > Yo, dumbo, there are only two socialists on RBT, and   
   >> > > > they're Chalo and me. (Well, maybe James is by definition   
   >> > > > a socialist, in the same way I am, by living in a   
   >> > > > socialist state, and Trevor too.) Most of  the rest of   
   >> > > > you, however much you spout against the capitalist system,   
   >> > > > are rightwingers whose only cause is a government handout   
   >> > > > for the middle classes. That's not what socialism is   
   >> > > > about. (I exempt Muzi, who is an old old-fashioned laissez   
   >> > > > faire capitalist and not ashamed of it, and John B, who is   
   >> > > > clearly his own man.)   
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   >> > > > When mindless trash like you call themselves sociaiists, I   
   >> > > > cringe with shame for the education which produced you.   
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   >> > > Interestingly, you socialists probably have more private   
   >> > > schools than   
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   >> > > us capitalists -- albeit operated by charitable   
   >> > > institutions.  In   
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   >> > > Ireland, the Catholics seem to have a strangle hold on   
   >> > > primary   
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   >> > > education.  The Sisters of Mercy would  slap the shit out of   
   >> > > monkey-   
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   >> > > boy for all his nattering.  Where is Sister Mary Godzilla   
   >> > > when you   
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   >> > > need her? -- Jay Beattie.   
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   >> > Wait, wait, Jesus was a socialist! He shared everything with   
   >> > his   
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   >> > "troop" and the whole world for that matter.   
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   >> > He actually inspired some "Utopias" actually worth looking   
   >> > into (I   
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   >> > can  name at least one).   
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   >> Yup, Jesus, with much help from the idealistic   
   >> nineteenth-century co-operative movements in the UK, Germany and   
   >> the States, inspired the cooperative farms in Israel. But guess   
   >> which ones are successful. It's not the communal-ownership   
   >> kibbutzi. No, the successful ones are the shareholding moshavem.   
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   >> When you get something right, monkey face, we'll open champagne.   
   >> By that time it will be a very old vintage...   
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   >> Andre Jute   
   >> Just the fax, mam   
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   > Just as I expected. The more cooperation the better, but not to   
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   > point that the motivation is taken away. I contemplate though   
   > that   
   > some people are more cooperative than others. There's also a   
   > strong   
   > motivation to join the kibbutz and "raise the kids."   
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   > When was the last time you saw a kid riding a bike in America?   
      
   Most of them are fat little buggers, glued to some video device,   
   with helicopter parents.   
      
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