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   TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Ph to --- -- .   
   Guess who is behind the Trashing of the    
   23 Sep 12 09:36:55   
   
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   XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   We are talking "trashing" --batteries and bottles-- not necessarily   
   having an effect on climate change. Trash is all over the place, the   
   waterways, the neighborhoods and the landfills. Incidentally there's a   
   large island made of trash floating in the middle of the Pacific.   
      
   Who's behind it? I'm afraid you can blame democracy for it, since the   
   corporations use it to push their trashing agendas. In democracy   
   nobody cares about anything anyway. You just dump your batteries in   
   the trash and don't ask questions. You may recycle batteries but it's   
   complicated. It involves you going somewhere to leave them, and you   
   don't know what they do with them. Bottles, nobody worries about   
   bottles. Bottle deposit laws seem to be part of living in a civilized   
   world elsewhere. NYC has it and it seemed rather clean to me.   
      
   So if you trust capitalism to clean after itself, you may be wrong.   
      
   On Sep 23, 8:37 am, recyclear  wrote:   
   > TibetanMonkey wrote:   
   > > recyclear wrote:   
   > >> TibetanMonkey wrote:   
   >   
   > >> >What a dilemma! Nobody wants to face reality. It's too scary. The   
   > >> >Planet is being trashed. Not even recycling here.   
   >   
   > >> Tectonics is a slow process.   
   > >> Everything gets recycled.   
   >   
   > >> You do know that an ice age is on its way.   
   >   
   > >> The planet cycles through warm and cold spells.   
   > >> Apparently there has been one put on you.   
   >   
   > >Are you reading?   
   >   
   > Yes.   
   > You have a dilemma.   
   > You don't want to face reality.   
   > It's too scary for you.   
   > You are trashing the planet.   
   > You have no recycling.   
   >   
   > I think that's basically what you wrote.   
   >   
   > > Trashing doesn't mean warming or climate change.   
   > >Trashing is trashing. No recycling = trashing.   
   >   
   > You might try to stop buying stuff,   
   > then you won't be trashing your planet.   
   >   
   > If you stopped buying batteries for your stuff   
   > then you wouldn't have a problem recycling them.   
      
   Not really, civilized places have recycling programs.   
   >   
      
   > Apprently, however, I was not clear.   
   > It doesn't matter if you trash your planet.   
   > The ice age will take care of that in the short run.   
   > Plate tectonics will take care of it in the long run.   
   > Not to mention the Red Giant at the end of the run.   
      
   What's you strategy, "Trash the Planet because they Red Giant is   
   coming anyway?"   
      
   Forget about the future, can you live with all that trash?   
      
   >   
   > Your dlilemma appears to be   
   > that you can't stop trashing your planet.   
   >   
   > Your obsessions and compulsions create a problem   
   > in your mind for you.   
      
   Right, some human beings have a tendency to worry about things that   
   need fixing. But others simply don't care. They are "survivors." But   
   you don't have to a Buddhist to be like that. Most people here are   
   survivors.   
      
   > You could take up collections at the corners   
   > and make a run, for your community.   
      
   And I could wear a clown mask and go around.   
   >   
   > >I think Radio   
   > >Shack may recycle them or not.   
   >   
   > Sounds as if, for all your complaining,   
   > you have not actually tried to solve the problem   
   > as you stated it.   
      
   I don't trust "private enterprise" to care about the environment. They   
   are there to make a profit. Supermarkets oppose the laws on bottle   
   deposit. It's probably too complicated for them. The few states that   
   have such laws recycle more than the rest of the nation.   
      
   Chew on this:   
      
   "Efforts to pass container deposit legislation in the 39 states that   
   do not have them are often politically contentious. The U.S. beverage   
   container industry --- including both the bottlers of water, soda,   
   beer, and the corporate owners of grocery stores and convenience   
   stores --- often spends large amounts of money lobbying against the   
   introduction of both new and amended beverage container deposit   
   legislation."   
      
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_deposit_legislation   
      
      
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