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   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Mar 13, 2:55 am, BeamMeUpScotty   
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   > On 3/12/2013 1:15 PM, Hell Stomper wrote:   
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   > > On Mar 12, 11:35 am, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   > > Philosopher"  wrote:   
   > >> On Mar 11, 11:16 pm, jigo  wrote:   
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   > >>> His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher wrote:   
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   > >>>> On Mar 11, 1:09 am, Bob Dubery  wrote:   
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   > >>>>> On Mar 10, 6:21 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   > >>>>> Philosopher"  wrote:   
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   > >>>>> There are courts. One of the problems with corruption, of course, is   
   > >>>>> that it's easy to talk about. Not just in government but in any walk   
   > >>>>> of life. Just about any rich person these days is presumed corrupt,   
   > >>>>> but showing the actual corrupt deed is harder. There are systems in   
   > >>>>> place that allow one to bring charges of corruption, to present   
   > >>>>> evidence and to have that tested.   
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   > >>>> And what happens when they are caught red-handed? They serve 20 years   
   > >>>> or 2 years? Is all their property confiscated and his family left to   
   > >>>> struggle?   
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   > >>>>>> They are certainly lower than terrorists to me.   
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   > >>>>> That's plain stupid. Moral equivalence is always a dodgy subject, and   
   > >>>>> weighing one crime against another is difficult, but you can hardly   
   > >>>>> equate a corrupt businessman or even government official to the guys   
   > >>>>> who flew planes into the WTC or planted bombs in Church Square.   
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   > >>>> Oh sure I do. A greedy banker is worse than a terrorist. A terrorist   
   > >>>> often immolates himself in the process while a corrupt greedy banker   
   > >>>> is more of a selfish pig. They do more damage to society --100 times   
   > >>>> more-- than terrorists. We put an orange suit on them and ship them to   
   > >>>> Guantanamo.   
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   > >>> Well, I agree with the PP that they're not equivalent crimes, but we   
   > >>> would not be the object of such terrorism if we didn't get involved in   
   > >>> other peoples' conflicts in the first place. And it is politicians who   
   > >>> are responsible for that. As Harry Browne wrote after 9/11--   
   > >>> "Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous   
   > >>> country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other   
   > >>> people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting   
   > >>> in the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,   
   > >>> because the Swiss mind their own business."   
   > >>> --Harry Browne   
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   > >> True, there's a CAUSE & EFFECT RELATIONSHIP.   
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   > >> I'd also argue that corruption doesn't happen in a vacuum. The system   
   > >> must be permissive, often accompanied by countries that harbor them   
   > >> and their money. It's a network that takes POLITICAL WILL & AGGRESSIVE   
   > >> ACTION to dismantle.   
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   > > In other words, take money from some at the point of a gun and give it   
   > > to those YOU see as more deserving?   
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   > "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic   
   > system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair   
   > salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to   
   > wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we   
   > are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."   
   > --Adolf Hitler--    (Speech of May 1, 1927   
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   > Obama's taking money from Americans Like Hitler took money from the   
   > Jews, they BOTH redistributed it.   
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   > They are Both responsible for destroying a Nation.   
      
   Hey, the Bubble happened under Bush's watch and it was the result of   
   CORRUPTION, HEDGING and PREDATORY LENDING. Most predators are still   
   lose though. It's the little guy that still struggles today.   
      
   It seems rather funny that the Republicans talk about lowering taxes   
   but not controlling corruption. The former hurts the little guy, the   
   latter hurts the big predator.   
      
      
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