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   From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
      
   Henry Kissinger tells Ukraine it should give Russia territory to try   
   to find a peace deal - as Zelensky insists Putin has 'no interest in   
   talking'   
      
   Former US secretary of state told conference that Ukraine should   
   accept terms   
      
   The 98-year-old added if they don't begin negotiations there will be   
   'upheavals'   
      
   He said it would be 'fatal' for the West to get swept up in 'mood of   
   the moment'   
      
   President Zelensky gave speech opening four-day Davos summit in   
   Switzerland   
      
   Summits will become pointless because 'brute force does not talk it   
   kills,' he said   
      
   Russia has been banned from the conference, in latest sign of Putin's   
   isolation   
      
   By LIZZIE MAY and CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE and AFP   
   PUBLISHED: 02:14 BST, 24 May 2022 | UPDATED: 07:08 BST, 24 May 2022   
      
   Henry Kissinger has said that the West should stop trying to inflict a   
   crushing defeat on Russia and suggested that Ukraine should give up   
   territory.   
      
   Former US secretary of state Mr Kissinger, 98, told the World Economic   
   Forum held in Davos, Switzerland that Ukraine must begin negotiations   
   'before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily   
   overcome'.   
      
   'Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante.   
   Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of   
   Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,' he told the conference   
   on Monday.   
      
   It came as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a powerful   
   speech to open this week's Davos summit in Switzerland that brute   
   force will once again rule the world if Russia's invasion of Ukraine   
   is allowed to go unanswered.   
      
   He told delegates that their summit will become pointless if Putin is   
   allowed to win the war because he is 'not interested in our thoughts'   
   and 'brute force... does not talk, it kills.'   
      
   But Mr Kissinger said it would be 'fatal' for the West to get swept up   
   in the 'mood of the moment' and forget Russia's position of power   
   within Europe.   
      
   According to The Telegraph, he explained that Russia was an 'essential   
   part of Europe' for over four centuries, noting that European leaders   
   must 'not lose sight of the longer term relationship' or otherwise   
   risk putting Russia in a permanent alliance with China.   
      
   He also said: 'I hope the Ukrainians will match the heroism they have   
   shown with wisdom.'   
      
   Volodymyr Zelensky told the meeting that brute force will once again   
   rule the world if Russia's invasion of Ukraine is allowed to go   
   unanswered in a powerful speech to open this week's Davos summit in   
   Switzerland.   
      
   The Ukrainian President told delegates that their summit will become   
   pointless if Putin is allowed to win the war because he is 'not   
   interested in our thoughts' and 'brute force... does not talk, it   
   kills.'   
      
   Zelensky's speech came at the start of four days of talks during which   
   Ukraine is expected to launch a global charm offensive in order to   
   secure economic and military backing to ensure its survival.   
      
   Russia will not be at the Davos meeting this year after organisers   
   banned Moscow from sending a delegation in just the latest signal of   
   how isolated Putin has become on the world stage.   
      
   'The main theme for this year's Davos {summit} is: 'History at a   
   Turning Point'', Zelensky told a packed auditorium on Monday morning.   
      
   'This year, the words 'turning point' are more than a rhetorical   
   talking point. This year is really the year when it is decided whether   
   brute force will rule the world.   
      
   'If so, the powerful are not interested in our thoughts and there is   
   no further use for meeting in Davos.   
      
   'Brute force seeks nothing but the subjugation of those who it seeks   
   to subdue and it does not talk, it kills, as Russia does in Ukraine   
   just as we speak today.   
      
   Recalling the horrors of Russia's invasion to date, Zelesnky added:   
   'Instead of peaceful cities there are only black ruins, instead of   
   normal trade [there are] seas full of mines and blocked ports, instead   
   of tourists [there are] closed skies and the sound of Russian bombs   
   and cruise missiles.   
      
   'This is what the world would look like if that turning moment does   
   not have a proper response from humanity, it would resemble a large   
   set of war crimes.'   
      
      
   President Zelensky tells global elite gathered in Davos...   
      
   Zelensky's speech came at the start of four days of talks during which   
   Ukraine is expected to launch a global charm offensive in order to   
   secure economic and military backing to ensure its survival   
      
   Zelensky also pointed to Russia House - a conference venue in the city   
   which typically hosts the delegation - which this year has been turned   
   into 'Russian war crimes house.'   
      
   He said this is an example of 'what Russia brings to the world', while   
   urging leaders to condemn the atrocities.   
      
   German vice-chancellor Robert Habeck had an angry outburst at the   
   summit while accusing Hungary and various other uncooperative   
   countries of stopping attempts of an oil embargo by the EU. 'We are   
   seeing the worst of Europe,' he said.   
      
   Russia has faced serious economic sanctions since their invasion of   
   Ukraine on 24 February, with the nation now facing a food and energy   
   crisis.   
      
   Mr Habeck said: 'I expect everyone to work to find a solution, and not   
   to sit back and work on building their partnership with Putin.'   
      
   The vice-chancellor who is also the country's economy minister, added   
   that Germany is 'ready to endure the shock' of a Russian oil imports   
   cut-off.   
      
   Energy minister for India Shri Hardeep Pury, when suggestions were   
   made that his country should stop in its business with buying Russian   
   oil, said: 'The Europeans buy more Russian energy in an afternoon than   
   we do in a quarter.'   
      
      
   WEF founder Klaus Schwab said last week that Davos would do what it   
   can to support Ukraine and its recovery.   
      
   'Russia's aggression on the country will be seen in future history   
   books as the breakdown of the post-World War II and post-Cold War   
   order,' he said.   
      
   More than 50 heads of state or government will be among the 2,500   
   delegates, ranging from business leaders to academics and civil   
   society figures.   
      
   Some of the biggest names include Germany's new chancellor, Olaf   
   Scholz, European Union chief Ursula von der Leyen, NATO head Jens   
   Stoltenberg and US climate envoy John Kerry.   
      
   While the summit is back, it lacks its usual snowy backdrop as the   
   Omicron variant forced this year's January meeting to be postponed   
   until now. Instead, rain is forecast all week.   
      
   Climate change and concerns about the economic recovery from the   
      
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