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   From: antoniov@support-ice.org   
      
   The Greeks have a problem: how physically to stop the influx of “Syrian   
   refugees” that Turkey has unleashed upon them. Fortunately, (not for the   
   first time), Israel has provided an answer: shoot these “infiltrators”…in   
   the knee. It works.   
      
   When is it appropriate for sovereign state to use lethal force to resist   
   invasion? In international law, you’d think the answer would be “always”,   
   but some people claim that an “unarmed” mob—not visibly armed, or with   
   only some of its members throwing Molotov cocktails—must not be resisted.   
   In 2018, we got an angry letter from an otherwise-friendly reader   
   distressed that we were defending Americans on Facebook who had called for   
   lethal force to be used at the border.   
      
   VDARE.com editor Peter Brimelow replied that is was “precisely because   
   VDARE.com is prepared to think the (to the conventionally-minded)   
   unthinkable that we have “moral legitimacy.” He added three points:   
      
   Firstly, we were right to nail the Daily Beast’s lie that the posts were   
   not about “Killing Immigrants And Minorities” but about border security,   
   specifically what to do about mobs rushing the border in force, to which   
   the Border Patrol is only able to respond with tear gas, rubber bullets,   
   and pepperball.   
   Secondly, we were right to point out the Daily Beast is calling for   
   censorship—the totalitarian recourse of Cultural Marxists. Indeed, that’s   
   how we know they are Cultural Marxists—not “liberals.”   
   Thirdly, we were right to point out that the Israelis do, in fact,   
   systematically defend their border against very similar politicized public   
   incursions with deadly force. This is one example from Wikipedia’s article   
   “2018 Gaza Border Protests,” which I am fairly confident has been closely   
   vetted for bias:   
   Seven Palestinians were killed in violent protests along the border fence,   
   in a continuation of the "March of Return" protests. According to the IDF,   
   "The rioters are burning tires and are hurling rocks, explosive devices,   
   firebombs and grenades at IDF troops and the security fence".[254] The   
   demonstrations were arranged by Hamas, with the aid of special units   
   formed to expand the protests. Four Palestinians were shot dead after they   
   crossed into Israeli territory and approached a sniper's post.[255]   
   [Hyperlinks in original, emphasis added].   
      
   Haaretz, a Leftist Israeli paper, has just published an investigation of   
   Israel’s defensive tactics on the border. It seems now that a lot more   
   than seven Palestinian rioters have been killed:   
      
   Over 200 Palestinians were killed and nearly 8,000 were injured during   
   almost two years of weekly protests at the Israel-Gaza border. Israeli   
   army snipers tell their stories   
      
   '42 Knees in One Day': Israeli Snipers Open Up About Shooting Gaza   
   Protesters   
      
   By Hilo Glazer, Haaretz,  March 6, 2020, also here.   
      
   When I say that Haaretz is Leftist, I mean that it’s anti-Israel in the   
   sense that the New York Times and Washington Post are anti-American.   
   Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic has described its stance as “cartoonish   
   anti-Israelism and anti-Semitism”. He says that a lot, but he may have a   
   point here.   
      
   Haaretz’s Glazer was able to interview several anonymous Israeli Army   
   snipers. They confirmed that that Israel’s response to these mobbings by   
   massive numbers of Palestinians threatening the security fence is to shoot   
   them, carefully, in the legs.   
      
   This is not a guaranteed non-lethal tactic, but it has produced relatively   
   few deaths (215 in two years):   
      
   The mass demonstrations on Israel’s border with the Strip began on Land   
   Day, in March 2018, and continued on a weekly basis until this past   
   January. These ongoing confrontations, in protest of Israel’s siege of   
   Gaza, exacted the lives of 215 demonstrators, while 7,996 were wounded by   
   live ammunition, according to the UN Office for the Coordination of   
   Humanitarian Affairs. Despite the large number of casualties, the grim   
   protests and responses along the fence continued unabated for nearly two   
   years, until it was decided [presumably by Palestinian leadership, these   
   are not spontaneous demonstrations, but organized attacks—JF]  to reduce   
   the frequency to once a month. Yet even in real time, the violent Friday   
   afternoon ritual provoked little public interest in Israel. Similarly, the   
   international condemnations – from allegations of the use of   
   disproportionate force to accusations that Israel was perpetrating   
   massacres – faded like so much froth on the waves.   
      
   Shedding light on this very recent slice of history entails talking to   
   snipers: After all, they were the dominant and most significant force in   
   suppressing the demonstrations at the fence. Their targets ranged from   
   young Palestinians who were trying to infiltrate into Israel or who threw   
   Molotov cocktails at soldiers, to prominent, unarmed protesters who were   
   considered to be major inciters. Both categories drew the same response:   
   Live ammunition fired at the legs.   
      
   Of the dozens of snipers that we approached, six (all of them discharged   
   from the IDF) agreed to be interviewed and to describe what reality looks   
   like through their gun sights. Five are from infantry brigades – two each   
   from Golani and Givati, one from Kfir – plus one from the Duvdevan   
   counter-terrorism unit. The names of all of them have been changed. They   
   are not out to “break the silence” or to atone for their deeds, only to   
   relate what happened from their point of view. In Eden’s case, even the   
   fact that he also killed a protester by mistake doesn’t rattle him. “I   
   believe I was on the right side and that I did the right thing,” he   
   insists, “because if not for us, the terrorists would try to cross the   
   fence. It’s obvious to you that there is a reason that you’re there.”   
      
   Emphases added. Of course, preventing invasions by guarding borders is, as   
   I’ve said before, what armies are for.   
      
   Glazer’s Haaretz article is full of sob stories, pictures of amputees on   
   crutches who are unsuccessful rioters and even a picture of a whole group   
   of ex-rioters running an amputee race on crutches.   
      
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   Glazer also claims that while some snipers—the ones he interviewed—are   
   unrepentant, others are, according to mental health professionals (whose   
   job it is to look for trauma), in fact traumatized.   
      
   There are repeated references to the snipers using a Ruger rifle. An IDF   
   spokesman told Haaretz that   
      
   “In light of the change that has occurred in the nature of the   
   disturbances, it was decided to equip the forces also with the Ruger   
   bullet, which causes less damage.”   
      
      
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