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|    25 Feb 26 01:11:52    |
      XPost: talk.politics.guns       From: hotmail@hotmail.edu              The Real Reason Trump Berated Zelensky       He simply likes Vladimir Putin better.       By Jonathan Chait       Photo-illustration of a cutout black-and-white image of Volodymyr Zelensky       (left) and Donald Trump (right) sitting next to each other, seemingly mid-       argument.       Illustration by The Atlantic. Source: Saul Loeb / AFP / Getty.       February 28, 2025       Of the many bizarre and uncomfortable moments during today’s Oval Office       meeting between Donald Trump, J. D. Vance, and Volodymyr Zelensky—during       which Trump finally shattered the American alliance with Ukraine—one was       particularly revealing: What, a reporter asked, would happen if the cease-       fire Trump is trying to negotiate were to be violated by Russia? “What if       anything? What if a bomb drops on your head right now?” Trump spat back, as       if Russia violating a neighbor’s sovereignty were the wildest and most       unlikely possibility, rather than a frequently recurring event.       Then Trump explained just why he deemed such an event so unlikely. “They       respect me,” he thundered. “Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a       lot with me. He went through a phony witch hunt, where they used him and       Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia, you ever hear of that deal? … It was a       phony Democrat scam. He had to go through it. And he did go through it.”       Trump seems to genuinely feel that he and Vladimir Putin forged a personal       bond through the shared trauma of being persecuted by the Democratic Party.       Trump is known for his cold-eyed, transactional approach, and yet here he       was, displaying affection and loyalty. (At another point, Trump complained       that Zelensky has “tremendous hatred” toward Putin and insisted, “It’s very       tough for me to make a deal with that kind of hate.”) He was not explaining       why a deal with Russia would advance America’s interests, or why honoring       it would advance Russia’s. He was defending Russia’s integrity by vouching       for Putin’s character.       In recent years, the kinship between Trump and Putin has become somewhat       unfashionable to point out. After Robert Mueller disappointed liberals by       failing to prove a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and       Russia, conventional wisdom on much of the center and left of the political       spectrum came to treat the scandal as overblown. But even the facts Mueller       was able to produce, despite noncooperation from Trump’s top lieutenants,       were astonishing. Putin dangled a Moscow building deal in front of the       Trump Organization worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and Trump lied       about it, giving Putin leverage over him. Trump’s campaign chair, Paul       Manafort, was in business with a Russian intelligence officer. Russia       published hacked Democratic emails at a time when they were maximally       useful to Trump’s campaign, and made another hacking attempt after he asked       it on television to find missing emails from Hillary Clinton. The pattern       of cooperation between Trump and Putin may not have been provably criminal,       but it was extraordinarily damning.       Conservatives have invested even more heavily in denying any basis for the       Trump-Russia scandal. A handful of MAGA devotees have openly endorsed       Russian propaganda, but more Republicans have explained away Trump’s       behavior as reflecting some motivation other than outright sympathy for       Moscow: He is transactional, he is a nationalist, he admires strength and       holds weakness in contempt.       And it is all true: Trump does admire dictators. He does instinctively side       with bullies over victims. He does lack any values-based framework for       American foreign policy. But many Republicans who acknowledged these traits       nonetheless believed that Trump could be persuaded to stay in Ukraine’s       corner. They were wrong. The reason they were wrong is that, in addition to       his generalized amorality, Trump exhibits a particular affection for Putin       and Russia.       Immediately after Zelensky left the Oval Office, Trump posted to Truth       Social, “I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace       if America is involved.” The clear implication is that the United States       will cut off its support for the Ukrainian war effort. Trump’s allies have       already tried to foist the blame for that momentous decision onto Zelensky.       Trump “felt disrespected” by the Ukrainian leader’s body language and       argumentative manner, White House officials told Fox News. “Zelensky was in       a terrible position,” National Review editor in chief Rich Lowry       acknowledged on X, “but he never should have gotten sucked into making       argumentative points.” And, he added, “he should have worn a suit.”       All of this ignores the much more plausible explanation of what happened       today: It was a setup. Trump and Vance appear to have entered the meeting       with the intention of berating Zelensky and drawing him into an argument as       a pretext for the diplomatic break. Why should anyone have expected       anything different? Trump has been regurgitating Russian propaganda, not       only regarding Ukraine, since before Zelensky even assumed office. In 2018,       the year preceding Zelensky’s election, he defended Russia’s seizure of       Crimea; he has repeatedly refused to acknowledge Russian guilt for various       murders; and he has even stuck to Russian talking points on such       idiosyncratic topics as the Soviets’ supposedly defensive rationale for       invading Afghanistan in 1979 and their fear that an “aggressive” Montenegro       would attack Russia, dragging NATO into war.       In the past few weeks, Trump has made very little effort to conceal his       pro-Russian tilt. He called Zelensky a dictator, and when asked if he would       say the same about Putin, refused, insisting, “I don’t use those words       lightly.” (No president in American history has used words more lightly       than Trump.) He said Ukraine “may be Russian someday” and blamed Ukraine       for starting the war. The U.S. even joined Russia, North Korea, and a tiny       bloc of Russian allies to vote against a United Nations resolution       condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.       The less damning explanations for Trump’s pattern of pro-Russia positions       have all collapsed in the face of evidence. One line of defense, hauled out       by Republican hawks to explain away Trump’s consistent efforts to undermine       NATO, is that Trump actually wants to prod Europe into spending more on its       own defense. Like a tough football coach, he is merely berating his team to       become the best version of itself.       Except when European countries declared themselves ready to increase their       defense spending to 2 percent of GDP, the level Trump claimed to have       wanted, he upped the demand to 5 percent. More recently, he advocated for       the election of the right-wing, pro-Russian, anti-NATO AfD party in       Germany. That is a strange thing to do if your goal is to push allies to       stand up for themselves against Russia, but a perfectly sensible position              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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