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   Job Bautista to All   
   Obi-Wan doesn't need the high ground to    
   17 May 21 19:07:21   
   
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   (Originally written by u/dumname2_1 and u/MetaCommando of Reddit)   
      
   Obi-Wan doesn't need to be on the high ground, the high ground just   
   needs to exist within the battle; Obi-Wan knows that when he has the low   
   ground, he really has the high ground, from a certain point of view; see   
   Diagram A.   
      
   Look at his battle record:   
      
       Maul: Has low ground, wins Example A   
       Dooku: No high ground, loses   
       Dooku rematch: No high ground, loses Example B   
       Greivous: Has low ground, wins Example C   
       Vader: Has high ground, wins   
       Vader rematch: No high ground, loses   
      
   Obi-Wan with the high/low ground is canonically the most powerful Jedi.   
   This is fact. Had Yoda not denied his request to battle The Senate with   
   typical Jedi arrogance, Obi-Wan could have defeated Palpatine in the   
   Senate building, which housed a variety of different altitudes; this was   
   designed so that the Chancellor could always have the moral high ground   
   in political debates. But Obi-wan didn't fight The Senate, and Yoda soon   
   learned that you can't cleave the Sheev in a normal 1v1. It took the   
   Tusken Raiders years of conflict against Old Ben Kenobi to grasp his   
   superiority in terrain advantage, as you see them visibly flee in ANH   
   when they realize he holds the low (inverse-high) ground; this was the   
   optimal strategy against a near-invincible opponent.   
      
   Yoda is shorter than virtually every other fighter, which gives him a   
   permanent low-ground disadvantage; however, his saber-fighting style   
   utilizes a flipping-heavy technique in order to negate this weakness for   
   a temporary window. You'll notice that, after falling from the central   
   podium in The Senate's building, he immediately retreats upon realizing   
   he is on the lowest ground. You'll also notice that, while training   
   Luke, he rides on him like a mount, to gain the intellectual high ground   
   and accelerate Luke's training. Example D. Obi-Wan's defensive Form III   
   lightsaber style synergizes with his careful military maneuvers; as he   
   only strikes when prepared, he can always hold the strategic high   
   ground. (The business on Cato Neimodia doesn't count.) You'll come to   
   realize that this is why Commander Cody's artillery strike failed   
   against Obi-Wan, when hundreds of Jedi were killed in similar attacks.   
   Cody failed to grasp the strategic situation, as the Jedi Master's   
   elevation was superior to his by hundreds of meters, making him   
   virtually unkillable. (You'll notice that all the Jedi killed in Order   
   66 were on level ground with the clones, thereby assuring their demise.)   
   Had Cody taken his time and engaged the Jedi on even terrain, he would   
   have succeeded. Obi-Wan subsequently retreated under the surface of the   
   lake, so that he could maintain the topographical low/high ground. This   
   is why Obi-Wan is so willing to fight against impossible odds to the   
   point where he thrusts himself in immediate danger; when your   
   probability of victory is 1-to-10, you have the statistical (and   
      
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