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   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: joedoe3@gmail.com   
      
   Christopher Kreuzer schrieb am 10.09.2011 01:47:   
   >> A place:   
   >> 1. Mentioned in Lord of the Rings?   
   >> Yes   
   >> 2. In Middle-Earth?   
   >> Yes   
   >> 3. Mentioned in "The Fellowship of the Ring"?   
   >> Yes   
   >> 4. Visited during the narrative of 'Lord of the Rings' by one or more   
   member(s) of the Fellowship?   
   >> Yes (*)   
   >> 5.  Visited by an intact Fellowship?   
   >> No (**)   
   >> 6. West of Anduin?   
   >> No   
   >> 7.  Visited by Sam?   
   >> Yes (*)   
   >> 8. Does Sam's "visit" to this place take place in the 'Fellowship of the   
   Ring'?   
   >> Yes   
   >> 9. Is it (a part of) Lothlorien?   
   >> No   
   >> 10. Is (or was) this place (at least sometime) inhabited by men or orcs?   
   >> No (***)   
   >> 11. Is it a body of water?   
   >>   
   >> Apologies, but it seems I got this wrong. After rechecking the   
   >> definition of a body of water, my answer here should have been (A)   
   >> "No" for the original 'place', though as a bonus there is still a   
   >> valid answer (B) "Yes" for the only other 'place' (as far as I can   
   >> tell) that fits all the answers given so far.   
   >>   
   >> 11(a): No   
   >> 11(b): Yes   
   >>   
   >> 12. Is it the River Anduin?   
   >> No   
   >> 13.  Is it a specific location in the River Anduin?   
   >> Yes   
   >> 14. Is it the rapids of Sarn Gebir?   
   >> No.   
   >>   
   >> Given all the above, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out both place   
   >> A (not a body of water) and place B (a body of water). At least I hope   
   >> it won't be too hard. Also, place B is directly visited, while place A   
   >> isn't (Sam would be able to tell tales around the fireplace about both   
   >> places).   
   >   
   >> 15. Does Sam's "visit" to Place A occur in the chapter 'The Great   
   >> River'?   
   >   
   > They arrive at Place B during this chapter (chapter 9 of Book II) and   
   > the Fellowship become aware of Place A during this chapter and Place A   
   > is ever-present throughout chapter 10 Book II and chapter 1 Book III.   
   >   
   > Or is that more confusing than saying "Yes, but the visit doesn't end   
   > in this chapter"? :-)   
      
   is it Nen Hithoel, the lake around Tol Brandir to which Sam pays a very   
   thorough visit when attempting to follow Frodo?   
      
   regards   
    Geza   
      
      
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