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   From: joedoe3@gmail.com   
      
   Joanne Corsano schrieb am 10.09.2011 15:50:   
   >   
   >>> A place:   
   >>> 1. Mentioned in Lord of the Rings?   
   >>> Yes   
   >>> 2. In Middle-Earth?   
   >>> Yes   
   >>> 3. Mentioned in "The Fellowship of the Ring"?   
   >>> Yes   
   >>> 4. Visited during the narrative of 'Lord of the Rings' by one or more   
   member(s) of the Fellowship?   
   >>> Yes (*)   
   >>> 5.  Visited by an intact Fellowship?   
   >>> No (**)   
   >>> 6. West of Anduin?   
   >>> No   
   >>> 7.  Visited by Sam?   
   >>> Yes (*)   
   >>> 8. Does Sam's "visit" to this place take place in the 'Fellowship of the   
   Ring'?   
   >>> Yes   
   >>> 9. Is it (a part of) Lothlorien?   
   >>> No   
   >>> 10. Is (or was) this place (at least sometime) inhabited by men or orcs?   
   >>> No (***)   
   >>> 11. Is it a body of water?   
   >>>   
   >>> Apologies, but it seems I got this wrong. After rechecking the   
   >>> definition of a body of water, my answer here should have been (A)   
   >>> "No" for the original 'place', though as a bonus there is still a   
   >>> valid answer (B) "Yes" for the only other 'place' (as far as I can   
   >>> tell) that fits all the answers given so far.   
   >>>   
   >>> 11(a): No   
   >>> 11(b): Yes   
   >>>   
   >>> 12. Is it the River Anduin?   
   >>> No   
   >>> 13.  Is it a specific location in the River Anduin?   
   >>> Yes   
   >>> 14. Is it the rapids of Sarn Gebir?   
   >>> No.   
   >>>   
   >>> Given all the above, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out both place   
   >>> A (not a body of water) and place B (a body of water). At least I hope   
   >>> it won't be too hard. Also, place B is directly visited, while place A   
   >>> isn't (Sam would be able to tell tales around the fireplace about both   
   >>> places).   
   >>>   
   >>> 15. Does Sam's "visit" to Place A occur in the chapter 'The Great   
   >>> River'?   
   >>>   
   >>> They arrive at Place B during this chapter (chapter 9 of Book II) and   
   >>> the Fellowship become aware of Place A during this chapter and Place A   
   >>> is ever-present throughout chapter 10 Book II and chapter 1 Book III.   
   >>>   
   >>> Or is that more confusing than saying "Yes, but the visit doesn't end   
   >>> in this chapter"? :-)   
   >>   
   >> Geza Giedke said:   
   >>> 16. is it Nen Hithoel, the lake around Tol Brandir to which Sam pays a very   
   >>> thorough visit when attempting to follow Frodo?   
   >>   
   >> Nen Hithoel is the geographical feature that fits 11b (a body of   
   >> water), i.e. it is Place B. But it is not the geographical feature   
   >> that is not a body of water (11a, Place A), so a few more questions   
   >> may be needed.   
   >   
   > 17. Umm .. is Place A the falls of Rauros? (Can't be ... we're looking   
   > for something that's not a body of water ... but it fits all of your   
   > other clues.)   
      
   I can think of only one place that's not a body of water and fits the   
   bill; but since this is not "guessing" but "20 questions", I'll try   
   asking anyway:   
      
   Does it have a proper name given in LotR?   
      
   regards   
    Geza   
      
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