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   From: ertr1013@student.uu.se   
      
   In rec.arts.books.tolkien Stan Brown wrote:   
   > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:30:49 -0800, sean_q wrote:   
   >> On 9/12/2011 11:29 AM, tenworld wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > I think Elrond still held a grudge (maybe not the right word) that   
   >> > Aragon's ancestor did not destroy the ring when he could.   
   >>   
   >> Surely, by the time of the War of the Ring, Elrond understood   
   >> that Isildur had no choice in the matter.   
      
   > Oh, please. It takes time for the Ring to get its full hold over a   
   > person. Bilbo resisted for 50 years, though it was starting to gain   
   > the ascendant. I can't accept that Isildur's will was obliterated in   
   > a few hours (or less). He kept the Ring because he was proud and did   
   > not want to be led by Elves.   
      
      
   It seems to depend in part on how you acquired the Ring (and I thnk Gandalf   
   even said something to that effect). Bilbo found it lying on the ground.   
   Frodo was given it. Isildur as well as Smeagol/Gollum used violence to   
   take it from its previous owner (Sauron and Deagol respectively.)   
      
   Isildur's will may not have been obliterated quite that fast, but he   
   quickly found excuses for why he should not destroy the Ring.   
   First of all he possibly did not really believe that the Ring was as   
   dangerous as as it was. Secondly a natural reluctance to destroy a   
   precious work of art, which the Ring is. Thirdly a desire to take the Ring   
   as (partial) payment for the recent death of his father.   
   All of these (and quite possibly more, like not wanting to take orders from   
   the Elves) would have been encouraged and strengthened by the Ring.   
      
      
   Also remember how reluctant Sam was to hand back the Ring to Frodo after   
   having held it for only a brief time - and Sam was probably far more   
   difficult for the Ring to manipulate than Isildur would have been.   
      
      
      
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