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   Steve Hayes to pvstownsend.zyx.abc@ntlworld.com   
   Re: The Two Gelmirs   
   21 Nov 11 08:30:25   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
      
   On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:20:15 +0000, Prai Jei   
    wrote:   
      
   >Steve Morrison set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time   
   >continuum:   
   >   
   >> How could there have been two Gelmirs? Tolkien makes it very clear   
   >> that Elvish names are never, ever repeated; he found it necessary to   
   >> write an entire essay about Glorfindel explaining how Glorfindel of   
   >> Gondolin could be the same person as Glorfindel of Rivendell. And   
   >> yet two distinct elves in the /Silm/ had the name Gelmir. The first   
   >> was the brother of Gwindor of Nargothrond, who was captured in the   
   >> Bragollach and murdered at the beginning of the Nirnaeth. The second   
   >> was the companion of Arminas, who met Tuor and showed him the Gate   
   >> of the Noldor (and later met Túrin in Nargothrond). The Index to the   
   >> /Silm/ even has two entries under "Gelmir". Any thoughts on how to   
   >> resolve the discrepancy?   
   >   
   >Did their lives overlap? If not then one was the reincarnation of the other   
   >as with Glorfindel.   
      
   Where does Tolkien say that elvish names are never repeated?   
      
      
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