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   After serious thinking Tahi wrote :   
   > "Michael Cole"  wrote in message   
   > news:jbrgm6$1f5$1@dont-email.me...   
   >> Tahi brought next idea :   
   >>> "Michael Cole"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:jbjj9s$ci4$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>> It happens that Tahi formulated :   
   >>>>>>> Again, a passage, phrase or sentence from the   
   >>>>>>> books...   
   >>>>>>> 1. In LoTR?   
   >>>>>>> No. 2. The Hobbit? No.   
   >>>>>>> 3. In Unfinished Tales?   
   >>>>>>> Yes   
   >>>>>>> 4. Is the passage something that is spoken by a   
   >>>>>>>character?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> 5. Does it describe something?   
   >>>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>>> 6. Is the description connected to Beleriand?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>>7. Is the description connected to Numenor?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> 8. Is the description connected to the Third Age?   
   >>>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>>> 9 About the Palantiri?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> 10. A description of a living creature?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> 11. About something geographic, like a river, a   
   >>>>>>> valley, a cave, a mountain?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> 12.Does it describe what is being seen by a person   
   >>>>>>> (or people)?   
   >>>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>>> 13. Seen by one person (as opposed to a group)?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> 14. Elendil's tomb?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> 15.  A description of an object created by one or more   
   >>>>>>> beings belonging to one or more of the Free Peoples (that   
   >>>>>>> is, elves, humans, hobbits, dwarves, or ents).   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Oooh.  This is going to depend on the definition of "an   
   >>>>>>> object", but I am going to say, Yes.   
   >>>>>>> 16.  Is at least one of the persons seeing what is being   
   >>>>>>> described from either the Rohirrim or the people that would   
   >>>>>>> become the Rohirrim?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> 17.  Is at least one of the persons a Gondorian?   
   >>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>> It is possible that the wrong intention may have been given by   
   >>>>>>> an answer.  I will say that I have given the most strict   
   >>>>>>> interpretation of the question, based on the passage in question   
   >>>>>>> rather than any interpolation of the situation outside the   
   >>>>>>> passage. To give a hint, one of your questions was very very warm...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 18.  Is at least one of the persons a Northman?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Given that even I am getting confused, I will expand on the answer.   
   >>>>>> Clarification of previous comment...   
   >>>>>> There is at least one or more persons present from either the Rohirrim   
   >>>>>> or the people that would become the Rohirrim, however the person or   
   >>>>>> persons seeing what is being described _is not_ from either the   
   >>>>>> Rohirrim or the people that would become the Rohirrim, nor Gondorian,   
   >>>>>> nor Northmen.  There are no Gondorians or Northmen present.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> OK I have found my copy of Unfinished tales!   
   >>>>> 19. Is it in Part 3 Chapter 4, The hunt for the ring?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No.   
   >>>>   
   >>> 20. Is the thing that is being seen within Rohan?   
   >>   
   >> Yes.   
   >>   
   > Sorry, Michael, I am also stumped now. I think you are going to have to tell   
   > us.   
      
   From the Battle of the Fords of Isen, the description, as seen by   
   Saruman's troops, of Elfhelm leading his forces into battle.  I don't   
   have the books with me at the moment, but I'll provide the actual quote   
   later.   
      
   --   
   Michael Cole   
      
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