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   From: Troels@ThisIsFake.invalid   
      
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   Sandman  spoke these staves:   
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   > In article <8jr6f75qsovivqeho4opu7u84kqnecccug@4ax.com>,   
   > Paul S. Person  wrote:   
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   >> And, since most of these characters in PJ's /LOTR/ were not the   
   >> same as JRRT's characters, even though they had the same name and   
   >> (at a sufficiently abstract level) the same roles, saying that   
   >> they are back does not suggest that this film's characters will   
   >> match JRRT's. Quite the contrary, in fact.   
   >   
   > There is a difference between a "character" and your   
   > "interpretation of a character". One fits in an objective   
   > discussion and one does not   
   >:)   
      
   Based on our earlier problem with widely different working   
   definitions of the word 'story', I strongly suspect that your   
   definition of /character/ is restricted to more or less name, gender   
   and race (and possibly a very reductionist, abstract summary of   
   role), whereas I equally strongly suspect that Paul is including what   
   might otherwise be termed /personality/  ;-)   
      
   The personality of a character can of course be discussed just fine   
   in an objective discussion, and there is a universal agreement that   
   the personality of the characters in Jackson's story is generally   
   very different from the personality of the same characters in   
   Tolkien's story -- even among the Tolkien scholars (including the   
   top-rank Tolkien scholar) who have only positive things to say about   
   Jackson's films.   
      
   Whatever you may think thereof, this is not a matter of someone's   
   "interpretation of a character" but of carefully reading Tolkien's   
   story for what is there, and carefully watching Jackson's story for   
   what is in that.   
      
   In other words, in a normal understanding of /character/, Paul is   
   entirely correct in asserting that "most of these characters in PJ's   
   /LOTR/ were not the same as JRRT's characters" (and in many cases   
   their personality was fundamentally rewritten in Mr Jackson's story).   
   This has nothing to do with liking or disliking the New Line Cinema   
   /LotR/ films -- this is merely an objective observation of fact.   
      
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