XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien
From: mr@sandman.net
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Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> > My guess is:
> >
> > Part 1:
> > Unexpected party
> > Trolls
> > Rivendell
> > Goblins/Gollum
> > White council
> > Wolves/eagles
> >
> > Part 2:
> > Elven king
> > The Village
> > Dol Goldur
> > Smaug
> >
> > I expect the Smaug part to be greatly expanded upon. I expect
> > Beorn to be dropped.
>
> I thought that I had heard some rumours about Beorn being cast, but I
> couldn't remember the specifics, so I went and checked at IMDB.co.uk,
> and they have a Mikael Persbrandt (a Swede, actually) cast as Beorn.
> I don't think we should attach too much importance to the fact that
> he is mentioned in the credits for the first film, since, as you say,
> nobody really knows where they will make the cut, but I think a lot
> of Swedes would be very disappointed if he was cut ;)
Well, I *am* a Swede, and I wouldn't mind at all. I had missed that he
had been casted.
> My best guess is that the cut with respect to the Quest of Erebor
> will be made during the stay in Lake Town (I wonder if they'll use
> Lake Town or Esgaroth?) -- this is a fairly natural break at
> approximately half-way through the book (that chapter, 'A Warm
> Welcome' is number 10 out of the 19 chapters in the book).
Well, to be fair, I don't think chapter numbering says much about the
langth of the adapted material. Like I've said before - a lot of parts
will be greatly expanded upon in a visual medium when they occupy a
measly paragraph or two in the book.
> It is my understanding that the general expectation is that we'll see
> the White Council meet and cast out Sauron from Dol Guldur. In terms
> of the timeline of the book, this is happening while Bilbo and the
> Dwarves are going through Mirkwood, being held captive by the Elves,
> resting in Lake Town and trying to find how to get through the door.
Indded, which is why I think the White council is in the first film,
while the Dol Goldur events are in the second.
> /If/ they use the same interlace technique as in the LotR films (and
> assuming they will use the same synchronization), I would certainly
> expect the council itself being in the first film, but I am less sure
> of the battle at Dol Guldur: if this is included in the first film,
> it will probably be the climax of this film (interlace with 'Barrels
> out of Bound'), which would then end with Gandalf hastening back
> north and Bilbo and the Dwarves being cheered in Lake Town. On the
> other hand, the climax could also be the fight against the spiders
> (the fighting climax) and the escape from the Elves (a release of
> tension), in which case the second film might open with the fight at
> Dol Guldur.
I kind of have a feeling that it's quite likely that the events with
Smaug (action action) and Dol Goldur (action action) will climax at
the same time. There are still tons of action events left for the
first film though, with spiders, wolves and eagles.
> Other scenarios can surely be deviced, but at this point the one that
> seems to me least unlikely is that the first film will end with
> Gandalf riding back north after helping to cast out Sauron from Dol
> Guldur, and with Thorin's company being cheered in Lake Town. This
> scenario also anticipates an expansion of both the Smaug parts and
> the Battle of Five Armies to balance out the addition of the White
> Council / Dol Guldur bits to the first film.
Godd guesses all around - I'm excited either way :)
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