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   From: joedoe3@gmail.com   
      
   Hallaril schrieb am 04/24/2012 09:01 PM:   
   > On Apr 23, 9:25 pm, Morgoth's Curse   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >>> Yes Eldar keeping vows had such a beneficial effect in the history of   
   >>> Middle Earth. Elrond's ancestors especially thrived  because Eldar   
   >>> kept their vows.   
   >>   
   >>> Tamim   
   >>   
   >>         As opposed to the consequences of breaking an oath?   
   > snip   
   >   
   > 'If none can release us,' said Maglor, 'then indeed the Everlasting   
   > Darkness   
   > shall be our lot, whether we keep our oath or break it; but less evil   
   > shall we   
   > do in the breaking.   
      
   in Arda, some beauty must be bought with evil...   
      
      
   Feanor: "[...] and this doom I add: the deeds that we shall do shall be   
   the matter of song until the last days of Arda." (Silm, ch 9 "Of the   
   Flight of the Noldor")   
      
   Manwe: "Dear-bought those songs shall be accounted, and yet shall be   
   well-bought. For the price could be no other. Thus even as Eru spoke to   
   us shall beauty not before conceived be brought into Ea, and evil yet be   
   good to have been."  (Silm, ch 11 "Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of   
   Valinor")   
      
      
   The full qutoe is:   
   "We have sworn, and not lightly. This oath we will keep. We are   
   threatened with many evils, and treason not least; but one thing is not   
   said: that we shall suffer from cowardice, from cravens or the fear of   
   cravens. Therefore I say that we will go on, and this doom I add: the   
   deeds that we shall do shall be the matter of song until the last days   
   of Arda." (Silm, ch 9)   
      
      
   --   
                               Now come ye all,   
   who have courage and hope!  My call harken   
   to flight, to freedom       in far places!   
                                         Lays of Beleriand   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)