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   From: the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm   
      
   On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:08:14 +0200, Geza Giedke wrote:   
   >   
   > Stan Brown schrieb am 04/28/2012 01:32 PM:   
   > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:39:40 +0200, Geza Giedke wrote:   
   > >>  It was (to me) one of   
   > >> the more striking ideas of Silm, (explained also before in a brief   
   > >> conversation of Eru, Manwe and Ulmo) that evil is justified by the   
   > >> beauty it (can) create.   
   > >   
   > > I don't recall any such statement, or anything that can be   
   > > interpreted that way.  Could you maybe post a specific pointer?   
   >   
   > I was thinking of the following quote from the Valaquenta:   
   >   
   > "And Iluvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this   
   > little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor hath made war upon thy   
   > province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath   
   > not destroyed the beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold   
      
      
   It looks like we were thinking of the same passage.   
      
   But there is still a logical difference between "beauty or good can   
   come about from evil" (which Eru said) and "beauty or good has evil   
   as a necessary source" (which you said).   
      
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