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   Message 68,813 of 70,346   
   Raven to John W Kennedy   
   Re: Dwarves as Jews   
   24 May 12 16:56:26   
   
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   From: jon.lennart.beck.its.my.name@mail.its.in.danmark   
      
    skrev i meddelelsen   
   news:69584073-b7f5-4b32-9e29-11988859f2ae@m24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...   
   On May 22, 6:41 pm, John W Kennedy  wrote:   
      
   > [Tolkien] intentionally excluded Hebraic roots from names.)   
      
   > Then you have quasi-Hebraic plurals as in Rohirrim.   
      
      That is a coincidence.  -rim is a collective plural from Rimbe (host), so   
   that Rohirrim derives from Roch-hir-rim "Horse-master-host", or People of   
   the Horse-lords.  Likewise Nogothrim from Naug.  If the original   
   Sindarin-speaking namers of Éotheod had disapproved of them, the name given   
   would likely have been **Rohirroth.  A Dunlending sufficiently versed in   
   Sindarin might have pointedly used this word when speaking with   
   foreigners...   
      But Khuzdûl, the birth-tongue of the Dwarves, was built with bi- or   
   triconsonantal stems which carried the basic meaning (eg. kh-z-d conveying   
   the basic idea of Dwarf), and then adding vowels interspersed with these   
   consonants would form the full word, eg. probably Khuzd = Dwarf, while   
   Khazâd = Dwarves.  This is the basic structure of the Semitic languages.   
   But of course Tolkien never intended Semitic to be, story-internally,   
   connected to Khuzdûl.  I suppose he just liked the idea and used it in one   
   of his conlangs.   
      
   Hræfn.   
      
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