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   From: jcb@inf.ed.ac.uk   
      
   On 2012-09-06, Raven  wrote:   
   [ on Galadriel knowing that Frodo has worn the Ring thrice since   
     knowing what it was ]   
      
   >    That is a good question, and I can see only two ways to answer it.  One   
   > is that I was mistaken.  Galadriel only knows because Frodo told her   
   > earlier, but this was not narrated; or he told Gandalf in Rivendell, and   
      
   Recall that Frodo talked long in his sleep in Rivendell, and Gandalf   
   said "it has not been hard for me to read your mind and memory".   
      
   > Gandalf told Galadriel via Elrond's messengers that passed through Lórien   
   > before the Fellowship did, or via Ósanwe-kenta.  A special plea in this case   
      
   > is that Galadriel discovered it while staring Frodo in the eyes at her first   
   > meeting with the Fellowship.  In that case she was One.  Powerful.  Lady.   
      
   She was. If I recall, in late writings Tolkien said she was the equal   
   of Feanor in native power - and Feanor could break Melkor's mental   
   dissembling. So a hobbit shouldn't have presented much difficulty,   
   even if he were trying to conceal things - but the "gaze" seems   
   clearly to have been a mental conversation, judging by what the others   
   said about it, and Frodo had no reason to try to hide.   
      
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