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   From: the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm   
      
   On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 22:21:06 +0200, Raven wrote:   
   >    Another explanation is that Sauron began to build a stronghold around SA   
   > 1000 at that spur of  Ered Lithui.   
   >   
      
   You have to get around the fact that the Tale of Years specifically   
   says it was the Barad-dûr.   
      
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