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|    Re: Churchill, Gandalf & Denethor    |
|    16 Oct 12 22:20:33    |
      XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien       From: no.spam@no.spam              Further to my last, I'm finding interesting parallels with       other Churchill speeches such as this one from May 19, 1940:              C: Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour, and be in readiness       for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle       than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar.       [1 Maccabees 3:58–59]              G: For, my lords, it may well prove that we ourselves shall       perish utterly in a black battle far from the living lands;       so that even if Barad-dur be thrown down, we shall not live       to see a new age. But this, I deem, is our duty. And better so       than to perish nonetheless – as we surely shall, if we sit here –       and know as we die that no new age shall be.'              Surely Tolkien was affected by these stirring speeches of 1940       when Britain was in its greatest danger. By his own account,       the RotK was written subsequently; that is, late in (or after)       the war:              : It was almost a year later when I went on and so came to Lothlorien       : and the Great River late in 1941. In the next year I wrote the first :       drafts of the matter that now stands as Book Three, and       : the beginnings of chapters I and III of Book Five; and there       : as the beacons flared in Anórien and Théoden came to Harrowdale       : I stopped.       :       : Foresight had failed and there was no time for thought.       : It was during 1944 that, leaving the loose ends and perplexities       : of a war which it was my task to conduct, or at least to report,       : I forced myself to tackle the journey of Frodo to Mordor.       : These chapters, eventually to become Book Four, were       : written and sent out as a serial to my son, Christopher,       : then in South Africa with the RAF. Nonetheless it took another       : five years before the tale was brought to its present end              Even though the author makes a point of denying a resemblance       between the War of the Ring and WW2...              : The crucial chapter, "The Shadow of the Past', is one of       : the oldest parts of the tale. It was written long before       : the foreshadow of 1939 had yet become a threat of inevitable       : disaster, and from that point the story would have developed       : along essentially the same lines, if that disaster had been       : averted. Its sources are things long before in mind, or in some       : cases already written, and little or nothing in it was modified       : by the war that began in 1939 or its sequels.       :       :       : The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process       : or its conclusion.              ...I believe it _had_ to have influenced his writing somehow.       Both LotR and WW2 are widely considered (especially by the winners)       to be moral crusades; that is, struggles between Good (us) and Evil       (them).              And JRRT was right there on the ground in the same deadly peril       as the rest of the British. He had faced the Germans already,       on the Somme, and now their planes were overhead once again.       (If they had invaded I hate to think what they would have done       to him if captured.)              ps. If there are other comparisons between LotR and Churchill's       wartime speeches I couldn't find any. However I suppose there's       plenty of commentary on WW2 in relation to Tolkien. If anyone       knows any good site(s) on this topic I would be interested.              TIA, SQ              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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