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|    Churchill, Gandalf & Denethor    |
|    16 Oct 12 20:54:27    |
      XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien       From: no.spam@no.spam              A few comparisons between Winston Churchill's "Their Finest Hour"       speech in the House of Commons, June 18, 1940 and some wisdom       from RotK:              C: What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over.       I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin.              G: ...it cannot be doubted that when Denethor saw great forces       arrayed against him in Mordor, and more still being gathered,       he saw that which truly is.                     C: The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us              G: Hardly has our strength sufficed to beat off the first great       assault. The next will be greater.                     C: Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose       the war.              G: Now Sauron knows all this, and he knows that this precious thing       which he lost has been found again                     C: If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life       of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands.              G: If it is destroyed, then he will fall; and his fall will be so low       that none can foresee his arising ever again... And so a great evil       of this world will be removed.                     C: But if we fail, then the whole world... will sink into the abyss       of a new Dark Age              G: If he regains it, your valour is vain, and his victory will       be swift and complete: so complete that none can foresee the end       of it while this world lasts.                     C: During the first four years of the last war the Allies experienced       nothing but disaster and disappointment. That was our constant fear:       one blow after another, terrible losses, frightful dangers.       Everything miscarried. And yet at the end of those four years       the morale of the Allies was higher than that of the Germans,       who had moved from one aggressive triumph to another, and who       stood everywhere triumphant invaders of the lands into which       they had broken. During that war we repeatedly asked ourselves       the question: How are we going to win? and no one was able ever       to answer it with much precision, until at the end, quite suddenly,       quite unexpectedly, our terrible foe collapsed before us, and we       were so glutted with victory that in our folly we threw it away.              G: His doubt will be growing, even as we speak here. His Eye       is now straining towards us, blind almost to all else that is moving.       So we must keep it. Therein lies all our hope. This, then,       is my counsel. We have not the Ring. In wisdom or great folly       it has been sent away to be destroyed, lest it destroy us.                     C: We may now ask ourselves: In what way has our position worsened       since the beginning of the war? It has worsened by the fact that       the Germans have conquered a large part of the coast line       of Western Europe, and many small countries have been overrun       by them...              If Hitler can bring under his despotic control the industries       of the countries he has conquered, this will add greatly to his       already vast armament output. On the other hand, this will not       happen immediately, and we are now assured of immense, continuous       and increasing support in supplies and munitions of all kinds       from the United States; and especially of aeroplanes and pilots       from the Dominions and across the oceans coming from regions       which are beyond the reach of enemy bombers.              I do not see how any of these factors can operate to our detriment       on balance before the winter comes; and the winter will impose       a strain upon the Nazi regime, with almost all Europe writhing       and starving under its cruel heel, which, for all their ruthlessness,       will run them very hard... In the meanwhile, however, we have       enormously improved our methods of defense, and we have learned       what we had no right to assume at the beginning, namely, that       the individual aircraft and the individual British pilot have       a sure and definite superiority. Therefore, in casting up this       dread balance sheet and contemplating our dangers with       a disillusioned eye, I see great reason for intense vigilance       and exertion, but none whatever for panic or despair.              G: listen to the words of the Steward of Gondor before he died:       _You may triumph on the fields of the Pelennor for a day,       but against the Power that has now arisen there is no victory_.       I do not bid you despair, as he did, but to ponder the truth       in these words.              C: I am not reciting these facts for the purpose of recrimination.       That I judge to be utterly futile and even harmful. We cannot       afford it. I recite them in order to explain why it was we did not       have, as we could have had, between twelve and fourteen British       divisions fighting in the line in this great battle instead of       only three. Now I put all this aside. I put it on the shelf,       from which the historians, when they have time, will select their       documents to tell their stories. We have to think of the future       and not of the past. This also applies in a small way to our own       affairs at home. There are many who would hold an inquest in       the House of Commons on the conduct of the Governments - and of       Parliaments, for they are in it, too - during the years which       led up to this catastrophe. They seek to indict those who were       responsible for the guidance of our affairs. This also would be       a foolish and pernicious process. There are too many in it.       Let each man search his conscience and search his speeches.       I frequently search mine.              Of this I am quite sure, that if we open a quarrel between       the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost       the future.              D: 'If I had! If you had!' he said. 'Such words and ifs are vain.       It has gone into the Shadow, and only time will show what doom       awaits it and us. The time will not be long. In what is left,       let all who fight the Enemy in their fashion be at one, and keep       hope while they may, and after hope still the hardihood to die free.'              SQ              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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