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   From: mr@sandman.net   
      
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    "No One in Particular"  wrote:   
      
   > "Sandman"  wrote in message   
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   > >When Gandalf learns that Saruman is there, he is almost disappointed,   
   > >which in line with our knowledge about Saruman. But Gandalf doesn't   
   > >know any of this at the time. At the time, Saruman is the head of the   
   > >Istari and deserves Gandalfs respect. In Fellowship, he specifically   
   > >goes to Saruman for advice, yet in Hobbit, he seems to rather want him   
   > >to not be there.   
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   > In the movie, Gandalf seemed to be afraid that someone would order him to   
   > stop helping the dwarves on their quest.  It seemed like he was more afraid   
   > of being overridden in his purposes than of really being wary of Saruman's   
   > allegiances.  He even mentioned to Elrond something to the effect that he   
   > (Gandalf) was not answerable to him (Elrond) when he seemed to think Elrond   
   > was going to try to prevent the dwarves from continuing the journey to   
   > Erebor.  I forget exactly how the phrase went.   
      
   Indeed it can be interpreted that way, and I remember having thought   
   about it - and in the movie it may work - but neither Elrond or   
   Saruman has any say over Gandalf wanting to help any specific   
   inhabitant in Middle Earth. It's not like Saruman is his boss or   
   anything.   
      
      
      
      
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