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   Message 69,084 of 70,346   
   Troels Forchhammer to All   
   Re: (spoilers) Re: The Hobbit (Part 1) r   
   07 Jan 13 09:52:37   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: Troels@ThisIsFake.invalid   
      
   In message    
   Stan Brown  spoke these staves:   
   >   
      
    I agree with Igenlode on this one.  In UT, "The Palantíri", the   
   > first paragraph contains this text: "only kings and rulers, and   
   > their appointed wardens, had access to them, and they were never   
   > consulted, nor exhibited, publicly."   
   >   
   > Saruman was a warden of the Stewards with respect to Isengard,   
   > fully entitled to use all the facilities of Isengard and Orthanc.   
      
   Nope. This was clearly not enough -- do read note 14 to the essay,   
   which is an authorial comment quite unequivocally stating that Saruman   
   "had himself no /right/ to the Orthanc-stone." (emphasis original).   
      
   Quite clearly being allowed to take up residence in Orthanc did /not/   
   transfer deputed authority to Saruman to use the Orthanc-stone.   
      
   --   
   Troels Forchhammer   
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   Please put [AFT], [RABT] or 'Tolkien' in subject.   
      
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       are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not   
       refer to reality.   
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