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   From: consul@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com   
      
   'tis on this 1/7/2013 2:56 AM, wrote Sandman thus to say:   
   >   ~consul  wrote:   
   >>>> I'm moderately confused by the changes to the backstory. Why make   
   >>>> Thror corrupted by gold and Thrain a maddened coward?   
   >>> Corrupted by gold... well, that was odd.. But in what way did you   
   >>> percieve Thrain to be a maddened coward? I missed that.   
   >> I don't know about the coward part, but in later half of the book, there is   
   >> much text of the gold lust. Bilbo, with true hobbit willpower, brushes it   
   >> off, while Thorin mouths off at Bard and the Elven King reps.   
   > I'm confused, are you talking about the book or the movie now?   
      
   I thought the original question was why, in the movie, would Thror be   
   corrupted by the gold and that it was different in the book. My post was that   
   in the book, the Thorin and some of the other dwarves were gripped by gold   
   fever.  Bilbo feels it a for a    
   little, but then settles on the more practical stuff.   
      
   >> I thought that in the move, Elrond called him for consultation?   
   >> Gandalf probably thought he was just going to have a pleasant   
   >> conversation amongst two.   
   > I don't think it is established whether Elrond "calls" for Saruman.   
   > Saruman seems to have travelled hundreds of miles to a place he   
   > actually didn't know whether Gandalf would show up at. Presumably,   
   > Saruman, Elrond and Galadriel were there for a meeting without   
   > Gandalf, and by chance, he turned up.   
      
   In the movie, as I recall, Gandalf is talking with Elrond about what to do   
   with the dwarves and how to deal with them, and then at the top of the stairs,   
   Elrond says that he doesn't have to answer to him, and then we see the slow   
   reveal turn of Galadriel    
   with mood music. We hear that Saruman called Galadriel, I figured Elrond   
   called Saruman because he figured the Dragon and dwarves are a big deal for   
   Gandalf to tackle alone.   
      
   I can see Gandalf being disappointed with Saruman being there, because now he   
   has to convince two negative views instead of one. He probably sees Galadrial   
   as being in the middle.   
   --   
   "... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the   
   end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."   
      --till next time, consul -x- <>   
      
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