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   From: mr@sandman.net   
      
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    ~consul  wrote:   
      
   > > I don't think it is established whether Elrond "calls" for Saruman.   
   > > Saruman seems to have travelled hundreds of miles to a place he   
   > > actually didn't know whether Gandalf would show up at. Presumably,   
   > > Saruman, Elrond and Galadriel were there for a meeting without   
   > > Gandalf, and by chance, he turned up.   
   >   
   > In the movie, as I recall, Gandalf is talking with Elrond about what to do   
   > with the dwarves and how to deal with them, and then at the top of the   
   > stairs, Elrond says that he doesn't have to answer to him, and then we see   
   > the slow reveal turn of Galadriel with mood music. We hear that Saruman   
   > called Galadriel, I figured Elrond called Saruman because he figured the   
   > Dragon and dwarves are a big deal for Gandalf to tackle alone.   
   >   
   > I can see Gandalf being disappointed with Saruman being there, because now he   
   > has to convince two negative views instead of one. He probably sees Galadrial   
   > as being in the middle.   
      
   Maybe, but still - neither Elrond nor Saruman knew that Gandalf would   
   be at Imladris at that time. Not in the book nor in the movie. So if   
   Elrond called for Galadriel and Saruman, he must have done so in   
   advance or Thorin & Co stayed there for quite some time. In the book   
   they stayed there for a fortnight, and we see nothing that suggest   
   otherwise in the film.   
      
   So, Elrond calls out to Saruman and Galadriel, who both travel   
   hundreds of miles and manages to be there right when Gandalf is.   
   Convenient :)   
      
      
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