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   From: g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies   
      
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     Troels Forchhammer  wrote:   
   > In message    
   > Stan Brown  spoke these staves:   
   >>   
   >> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 09:52:37 +0100, Troels Forchhammer wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> Quite clearly being allowed to take up residence in Orthanc did   
   >>> /not/ transfer deputed authority to Saruman to use the   
   >>> Orthanc-stone.   
   >>   
   >> Troels, I can't agree with you on this one.   
   >>   
   >> "Here are the keys. Live here as my warden, but touch not the   
   >> Stone."  I don't think so.  Tolkien was explicit that Beren the   
   >> Steward either didn't think about the Stone or considered Saruman   
   >> a good guardian for it.  Either way, Saruman had right to use it,   
   >> derived from the Steward acting with the authority of the Kings.   
      
   > The problem with such an interpretation is, however, that it is   
   > against Tolkien's very explicit statement that Saruman "had himself   
   > no /right/ to the Orthanc-stone" (note 14 to the UT essay, emphasis   
   > original).   
      
   Tolkien says a lot of things that don't fit with the published books. UT   
   is not canon. The letters are not canon.   
      
   An what /right/ did Tolkien mean? A legal right? I doubt it. It may have   
   just been as simple as since he was not using the stone for its intended   
   purpose, he was didn't have the /moral/ right to use it.   
      
      
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