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   From: g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies   
      
   In message <1abre89rr8eo8dtg86cfj6vahp0uoek1b2@4ax.com>   
     Paul S  Person  wrote:   
   > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:10:02 +0100, Sandman  wrote:   
      
   >>In article <87r4lvg027.fsf@swing-shift.time-tripper.com>,   
   >> Rich Carreiro  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> "Raven"  writes:   
   >>>   
   >>> > skrev i meddelelsen   
   >>> >news:de5ef97c-4b9a-44f2-91b3-ff8eb72d7db3@googlegroups.com...   
   >>> >   
   >>> >> He's already heir to the North Kingdom, long before the time of   
   >>> >> LOTR, so yes, he can use the northern palantirs   
   >>> >> (if any still exist - they're probably buried in that mythical   
   >>> >> Witch-King's-tomb, just to keep an eye on him).   
   >>> >   
   >>> >  The Witch-king has no tomb.  He was the Chief of the Nazgûl, that   
   >>> >Éowyn slew.   
   >>>   
   >>> I think Derek is snarking on the Hobbit movie, where it was stated that   
   >>> the Witch-King was a live man at the time of Angmar vs. the Northern   
   >>> realms, and was killed, and was buried, along with his sword, in a deep,   
   >>> special, unopenable tomb.   
   >>   
   >>Yeah, that's odd. I kind of got the idea from the movie that the   
   >>Wicth-King was a live man, defeated in the battle of Angmar, buried -   
   >>and now is brought back as a ghost in Dol Goldur to "fight" Radagast,   
   >>conveniently losing his morgul blade that he kept as a ghost since it   
   >>was buried with him a thousand years earlier.   
   >>   
   >>One should try to match the timeframe from the books to the movies   
   >>though, for obvious reasons - but this entire premise has some real   
   >>problems even in the scope of the movies. Even the movies identifies   
   >>the Nazgul as men fallen after having been given the rings, but this   
   >>new information seems to suggest that one of these men were slain and   
   >>buried - not actually turned into a nazgul by the power of the ring -   
   >>but rather coming back as a ghost in Dol Goldur... Huh.   
      
   > That is definitely what the conclusion of the White Council in the   
   > movie is.   
      
   > I may be wrong, but I believe that Saruman provided the dubious   
   > information that the Witch King was dead and buried.   
      
   No, it was Galadriel.   
      
   > This, of course, is /definitely not/ what JRRT had in mind!   
      
   Agreed.   
      
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   I'd like to move us right along to a Peter Gibbons. Now we had a chance to meet   
   this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with upper management   
   written all over him.   
      
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