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   Message 69,120 of 70,346   
   Steve Morrison to Bill O'Meally   
   Re: Ringwraiths vs Ghosts (Re: (spoilers   
   11 Jan 13 20:15:54   
   
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   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: rimagen@toast.net   
      
   Bill O'Meally wrote:   
      
   > I don't know of a case where Tolkien even uses the word "ghost". A   
   > quote would also be helpful. :-)   
      
   He does use it a number of times in /LotR/, but most often as a   
   simile. Here are some instances where he uses it literally,   
   though. First, Faramir speaking of the Nazgûl to Frodo:   
      
     It is said that their lords were men of Númenor who had fallen   
     into dark wickedness; to them the Enemy had given rings of   
     power, and he had devoured them: living ghosts they were   
     become, terrible and evil.   
      
   Second, from "The Passing of the Grey Company":   
      
     The Company halted, and there was not a heart among them that   
     did not quail, unless it were the heart of Legolas of the Elves,   
     for whom the ghosts of Men have no terror.   
      
   There was also Saruman's taunt to Galadriel:   
      
     [...]And now, what ship will bear you back across so wide a   
     sea?’ he mocked. ‘It will be a grey ship, and full of ghosts.’   
      
   although that doesn't tell us much which is relevant. In the   
   /Silm/, Sauron receives the following threat:   
      
     Ere his foul spirit left its dark house, Lúthien came to him,   
     and said that he should be stripped of his raiment of flesh,   
     and his ghost be sent quaking back to Morgoth; and she said:   
     ‘There everlastingly thy naked self shall endure the torment of   
     his scorn, pierced by his eyes, unless thou yield to me the   
     mastery of thy tower.’   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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