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   From: consul@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com   
      
   'tis on this 1/9/2013 1:01 PM, wrote Paul S. Person thus to say:   
   > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:10:02 +0100, Sandman  wrote:   
   >> Rich Carreiro  wrote:   
   >>> "Raven"  writes:   
   >>>>  skrev i meddelelsen   
   >>>>> He's already heir to the North Kingdom, long before the time of   
   >>>>> LOTR, so yes, he can use the northern palantirs   
   >>>>> (if any still exist - they're probably buried in that mythical   
   >>>>> Witch-King's-tomb, just to keep an eye on him).   
   >>>>   The Witch-king has no tomb.  He was the Chief of the Nazgûl, that   
   >>>> Éowyn slew.   
   >>> I think Derek is snarking on the Hobbit movie, where it was stated that   
   >>> the Witch-King was a live man at the time of Angmar vs. the Northern   
   >>> realms, and was killed, and was buried, along with his sword, in a deep,   
   >>> special, unopenable tomb.   
   >>   
   >> Yeah, that's odd. I kind of got the idea from the movie that the   
   >> Wicth-King was a live man, defeated in the battle of Angmar, buried -   
   >> and now is brought back as a ghost in Dol Goldur to "fight" Radagast,   
   >> conveniently losing his morgul blade that he kept as a ghost since it   
   >> was buried with him a thousand years earlier.   
   >>   
   >> One should try to match the timeframe from the books to the movies   
   >> though, for obvious reasons - but this entire premise has some real   
   >> problems even in the scope of the movies. Even the movies identifies   
   >> the Nazgul as men fallen after having been given the rings, but this   
   >> new information seems to suggest that one of these men were slain and   
   >> buried - not actually turned into a nazgul by the power of the ring -   
   >> but rather coming back as a ghost in Dol Goldur... Huh.   
   > That is definitely what the conclusion of the White Council in the   
   > movie is.   
      
   I haven't checked the timeline or looked back at the LoTR movies, but couldn't   
   the 9 been given their rings at an earlier point in time, and then killed &   
   buried? Either killed by some other super strong hero or when sufficiently   
   weakened when Sauron    
   lost his ring? I think this is what the movie is going with.   
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