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|    Steuard Jensen to All    |
|    What did Sauron think Aragorn thought he    |
|    28 Feb 13 14:48:16    |
      XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien       From: steuard@slimy.com              Consider: You are Sauron, in the early stages of a war against Gondor       and a hunt for your Ring that has recently resurfaced. You have just       met an unexpected challenge from an upstart heir of Isildur who       somehow managed to turn the tide of battle at Minas Tirith when your       victory there seemed all but certain. It seems very likely that this       "Aragorn" has claimed your Ring and is using it (or planning to use       it) to challenge you. In fact, he is now leading a significant but       still laughably small army to *attack* the gates of your realm.              Clearly, Aragorn's plan must be to use the Ring to make this assault       something other than a suicide mission. He must expect to ______ ___       ______ _ ______ ___ ________ _______ [...]. Therefore, your best       response is to gather as many of your own troops as possible in Udun       in order to repel his assault: Orcs, Men, Trolls, and the rest, with       the surviving Nazgul circling overhead to sew despair in your enemies.       By doing this, you will be able to crush his tiny force and recover       the Ring for yourself!                     So my question is, what exactly is supposed to fill in those blanks?       In Sauron's mind, Aragorn clearly didn't expect his army's small size       to be a death sentence. Thus, "Aragorn" must have expected that he       could use the Ring to neutralize the disparity in numbers. Was "his"       expectation that he could inspire his paltry few troops to superhuman       prowess in battle? That seems unlikely against such overwhelming odds.       Did "he" expect that he could paralyze Sauron's armies into inaction,       or even turn them to his own side? The why would Sauron sending even       more troops into range help? Did "he" plan to shoot fireballs or cause       earthquakes or something? But there's no evidence for anything like       that. What other possibilities am I overlooking? Also, we know from       Letters that the Nazgul would be unable to assault a declared       Ringlord, so why did Sauron send them into this conflict at all?              I have my guesses about all of that, but I'm interested in hearing       others' thoughts. But let's take this a step further. Once the Black       Gate opened and battle was joined, it was inevitably a "normal" battle       with no Ring influence. At what point (if ever) would Sauron become       suspicious that the Ring wasn't there to be used at all? If Sauron       thought that Aragorn had already used the Ring to influence the       outcome at Minas Tirith (*Did* he? I have some memory that they       guessed so), what could it mean that there were *no* hints of Ring       influence at the Morannon? (One would think that the Nazgul at least       would have known if the Ring was being used, or even if it were       present. Why didn't they tell Sauron, "Hey: the Ring's not here at       all!")              And imagine that Frodo had been one day farther from Orodruin when the       battle occurred. Isn't there a concern that Sauron would catch on to       the real plan once it became clear that the battle honestly had been a       suicidal feint? "What the heck could they have been hoping to distract       me fro.... Oh!"               Steuard Jensen              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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