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   From: joedoe3@gmail.com   
      
   Julian Bradfield schrieb am 03/02/2013 03:15 PM:   
   > On 2013-03-02, Stan Brown wrote:   
   >> I don't think Sauron was _ever_ uncertain whether the Ring had been   
   >> destroyed. Gandalf tells us (and Tolkien, too, in Letters IIRC) that   
   >> Sauron simply could not conceive that anyone coming into possession   
   >> of the Ring would do anything but claim it and try to become Lord.   
   >   
   > When talking to Frodo in Hobbiton, Gandalf says:   
   > He believed that the One had perished; that the Elves had destroyed   
   > it, as should have been done. But he knows now that it has /not/   
   > perished, that it has been found. So he is seeking it, seeking it, and   
   > all his thought is bent on it. It is his great hope and our great fear.'   
      
   i did not recall that quote and was guessing that Sauron might have   
   considered the Ring being irretrievably lost ("rolled into the sea", maybe)   
      
   but as it is it seems that Sauron knows a good deal less about the Ring   
   than Elrond and Gandalf do. This surprises me (at least in Elrond's   
   case) but if is correct and Sauron did not know that destroying the Ring   
   was a danger to him many pieces of the story (the lack of guard at   
   Orodruin, the rather restrained intensity of the hunt for the Ring)   
   become much more plausible.   
      
   so would the state of Sauron after the actual destruction of the Ring   
   (as a mere shadow of malice) be indistinguishable (for him and at least   
   at first) from the state after being robbed of the Ring by Isildur?   
   would he spend the 4th Age trying to take shape again and wondering why   
   he did not get anywhere?   
      
   regards   
    Geza   
      
      
      
   --   
    Now come ye all,   
   who have courage and hope! My call harken   
   to flight, to freedom in far places!   
    Lays of Beleriand   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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