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   Raven to All   
   Re: Mouth of Sauron   
   05 Aug 13 16:42:58   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: jon.lennart.beck.its.my.name@mail.its.in.danmark   
      
   "Sandman"  skrev i meddelelsen   
   news:mr-BD21A7.11441431072013@News.Individual.NET...   
   > Two Towers, The Departure of Boromir:   
   >   
   >    ‘S is for Sauron,’ said Gimli. ‘That is easy to read.’   
   >    ‘Nay!’ said Legolas. ‘Sauron does not use the elf-runes.’   
   >    ‘Neither does he use his right name, nor permit it to be spelt or   
   >     spoken,’ said Aragorn.   
      
   > Return of the King, The Black Gate Opens:   
      
   >    The Lieutenant of the Tower of Barad-dûr he was, and his name is   
   >    remembered in no tale; for he himself had forgotten it, and he said:   
   >    ‘I am the Mouth of Sauron.’   
      
   > He always was a bit of a rebel, ey?   
      
      A story-external explanation is of course that Tolkien made an   
   inconsistency - goofed, forgetting the former passage when writing the   
   latter and not noticing during revisions.  My best guess of a partly   
   story-internal explanation is that Sauron did indeed refuse the name Sauron   
   ("the Abhorrent"), which was given him in abhorrence by the Elves.  He would   
   have disliked that mockery intensely.  Some people do want to torture the   
   World until the World fears, loves and admires them.  What the Mouth said in   
   Westron did not then include the name Sauron - but in the translation into   
   English the name was used, to avoid unnecessary complications.  A wholly   
   story-internal explanation is that whoever related the latter incident to   
   Frodo had heard the Mouth using Sauron's preferred name but found that   
   wholly inappropriate, and substituted Sauron's right name - as they saw it.   
       Did the Mouth refer to his master as Tauron, perhaps?  Heruardo, or its   
   Black Speech equivalent?  Or even Eru?  The latter two or similar would   
   especially be regarded as blasphemous by Sauron's enemies, sufficiently   
   versed in the history of Arda, and the more appropriate "Sauron" substituted   
   when Frodo wrote his piece.   
      
   Hræfn.   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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