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   Message 69,269 of 70,346   
   Michael Ikeda to Sandman   
   Re: Mouth of Sauron   
   11 Aug 13 12:17:06   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: mmikeda@erols.com   
      
   Sandman  wrote in   
   news:mr-502451.00115311082013@News.Individual.NET:   
      
   > In article ,   
   >  Troels Forchhammer  wrote:   
   >   
   >> And another line of answering ...   
   >>   
   >> Christina Scull and Wayne Hammond write, in their _Reader's   
   >> Companion_   
   >>   
   >>       It has been pointed out that Aragorn said that Sauron   
   >>     'does not use his right name, nor permit it to be spelt or   
   >>     spoken' (Book III, Chapter i, p. 416, II: 18), but   
   >>     presumably that means, without his special approval.   
   >>   
   >> This is of course a different way to answer this from the   
   >> attempts that hvae been been brought up here.   
   >   
   > Fair enough, but I don't think that solves it very neatly. I   
   > mean, "Sauron" is a derogatory name, which is why he did not   
   > want anyone to use it, right?   
   >   
   > So, following the above reasoning, one can assume that he may   
   > allow it to be used in communication with parts of Middle Earth   
   > that know him by no other name.   
   >   
   > But for his premier lieutenant to have this as part of his   
   > title? Sounds a bit unlikely, doesn't it?   
      
   On the other hand, he's currently TALKING to people who only   
   recognize Sauron by that name.   
      
   "I am the Mouth of Mairon"   
      
   (Lengthy pause as Gandalf and company look at each other in   
   confusion.  Finally the Mouth loses patience.)   
      
   "Sauron!  You know him as Sauron." (Grumbles to himself about   
   ignorant forgetful Tarks and rebels.)   
      
   :-)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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