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   Message 69,270 of 70,346   
   Stan Brown to Michael Ikeda   
   Re: Mouth of Sauron   
   12 Aug 13 07:32:35   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm   
      
   On 11 Aug 2013 12:17:06 GMT, Michael Ikeda wrote:   
   >   
   > On the other hand, he's currently TALKING to people who only   
   > recognize Sauron by that name.   
   >   
   > "I am the Mouth of Mairon"   
   >   
   > (Lengthy pause as Gandalf and company look at each other in   
   > confusion.  Finally the Mouth loses patience.)   
   >   
   > "Sauron!  You know him as Sauron." (Grumbles to himself about   
   > ignorant forgetful Tarks and rebels.)   
   >   
   > :-)   
      
   LOL -- good one!   
      
   We all of us (including me) make much of this inconsistency.  Story   
   external, I think Tolkien simply goofed.  LotR was re-edited and   
   rewritten so many times that JRRT did miss a few things.  It's not as   
   though, when he decided that Aragorn should say that, he could just   
   do Ctrl-F Sauron on the Word file and check out every instance.   
      
   Story internally:   
      
   I'm thinking that Aragorn had just heard a rumor about Sauron not   
   allowing his name to be spelled or spoken.  After all, he was hardly   
   in a position to verify it at the source.  And when he encountered an   
   orc, he would be too busy fighting to pursue inquiries of   
   nomenclature.   
      
   But Aragorn should have known better anyway.  At the Council of   
   Elrond, Glóin reported what the "messenger ... from Mordor" told   
   Dain: "The Lord Sauron the Great, so he said, wished for our   
   friendship."   
      
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