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   Raven to All   
   Re: Frodo's first dream   
   06 Nov 13 16:25:30   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: jon.lennart.beck.its.my.name@mail.its.in.danmark   
      
   "Stan Brown"  skrev i meddelelsen   
   news:MPG.2ce3e725636f451f98e255@news.individual.net...   
      
   > In the house of Tom Bombadil, Frodo in a dream saw Gandalf's rescue   
   > from Isengard, and later he commented on it during the Council of   
   > Elrond.   
      
   > But earlier, at the end of Chapter 5, he had a "vague dream" that   
   > I've not been able to connect to any of the events of the book.  Can   
   > anyone interpret it?   
      
   > "Eventually he fell into a vague dream, in which he seemed to be   
   > looking out of a high window over a dark sea of tangled trees. Down   
   > below among the roots there was the sound of creatures crawling and   
   > snuffling. He felt sure they would smell him out sooner or later.   
      
   > "Then he heard a noise in the distance. At first he thought it was a   
   > great wind coming over the leaves of the forest. Then he knew that it   
   > was not leaves, but the sound of the Sea far-off; a sound he had   
   > never heard in waking life, though it had often troubled his dreams.   
   > Suddenly he found he was out in the open. There were no trees after   
   > all. He was on a dark heath, and there was a strange salt smell in   
   > the air. Looking up he saw before him a tall white tower, standing   
   > alone on a high ridge. A great desire came over him to climb the   
   > tower and see the Sea. He started to struggle up the ridge towards   
   > the tower: but suddenly a light came in the sky, and there was a   
   > noise of thunder."   
      
      My best guess is that the dream is not to be interpreted as a mapping of   
   specific events.  The first part of the dream seems to tie in with the   
   servants of Sauron searching for him; and the Nazgūl who had almost found   
   him had sniffed for him.  Gandalf had told him a bit abut the snuffling   
   Gollum, also searching for the Ring.  The Woody End was fresh in his memory,   
   and he had just decided to enter another and much more sinister forest.  He   
   was not used to high windows in his real life yet, but knew towers well   
   enough from the tales of Bilbo and Gandalf.  Dreams are often a jumble of   
   things that are on your mind, both in the forefront and in the substrata,   
   and something that is on your mind can often surface in various guises from   
   one dream to the next.   
      As for the latter part of the dream, I suppose it ties in with his   
   knowledge about the world outside the Shire, such as he had at the time, as   
   well as his longings; and he was about to satisfy his longing to see the   
   Wide World, though  under less than desirable conditions.  In the foreword   
   is mention of the three Elf-towers on the Tower Hills, the westernmost of   
   which would permit one to see the Sea, according to the Westfarthing   
   hobbits.  Granted that this tower stood alone on a green mound, while   
   Frodo's dream had a tower on a ridge.  Perhaps in his real life Frodo was   
   more used to heaths and ridges than to mounds.  Although he had no seaside   
   experience, he probably knew from Tales from Abroad that the sea makes a   
   peculiar wooshing sound as the waves break on the shore, and the air smells   
   of salt.  I suppose it is anyone's guess if he had received fragments of   
   foresight in his dreaming, although foresight given to some individuals is   
   an established fact within the story.   
      Tolkien's purpose in putting that dream might be his fondness for adding   
   depth to the story by putting in loose ends.  I suppose the only way that we   
   can find out is if Tolkien wrote a comment on it in a letter or some scrap   
   of paper that hasn't been published yet, or something.   
      
   Korax.   
      
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