From: le@main.put.com   
      
   Sandman  wrote:   
   > In article , Mike   
   Scott Rohan  wrote:   
   >   
   >>  Millions upon millions of people can still be wrong.   
   >   
   > We're talking about opinions about movies now, there is no "wrong".   
      
   Making movies of Tolkien books is wrong.   
      
   > There are unfavorabke or favorable opinions about the movies, and the   
   > favorable ones outnumber the unfavorable by a vast vast amnount.   
      
   And that is appalling and must be constantly,bitterly denounced.   
      
   >>  A majority can believe in alien abductions or "the Jewish conspiracy"   
   >>  without making them one iota more true.   
   >   
   > Thiose wouldn't be opinions, those would be facts. People doesn't believe   
   > that the LOTR movies are factually good, they consider them good as a   
   > personal opinion.   
      
   And need to be dissuaded.   
      
   >>  There was a time when the majority wouldn't   
   >>  bother to read a book about hobbits and elves, until it was reduced to a   
   >>  comic-strip extravanganza for them.  The truth is that the majority of   
   >>  the audience enjoys the spectacle in the most vapid possible way,   
   >   
   > Then so be it. You are free to pass judgement on those that are looking for   
   > an entertaining time at the cinema all you want, but it doesn't change the   
   > fact that more people enjoy the movies than doesn't.   
      
   And none should.   
      
   > I have read all the books many times and can clearly identify the   
   > difference between the books and the movies, yet I have no problem   
   > deriving immense pleasure from watching the movies.   
      
   Which means you have no sincere attachment to the books...   
   many of us do.   
      
   >>  without understanding where it came from, and would enjoy, say, a film   
   >>  of Terry Brooks or Lin Carter's infantile Thongor books on the same   
   >>  basis.   
   >   
   > Or the Hunger Games. This is how the world works. People enjoy certain   
   > things, and people looking to make money out of other people's enjoyment   
   > are getting better and better at giving them what they want.   
      
   Which doesn't make that the right thing to do,   
   when it's warping someone else's vision.   
      
   >>  A somewhat smaller section of it does appreciate the original,   
   >>  but enjoys -- or tolerates -- the films for the few aspects they get   
   >>  more or less right.   
   >   
   > The movie "get" the vast vast majority of the books "right". It's just that   
   > some purists thinks that some minor details are more important that things   
   > like.. the plot.   
      
   Purists are sincere and not mercenary.   
      
   >>  And another section, while acknowledging those few things, is irritated   
   >>  beyond endurance by the stupidities, coarsenings, reductions to teen   
   >>  moron level and blatant insertions for video game's sake (the fight in   
   >>  Moria, the river run in the new Hobbit) that they embody, far beyond   
   >>  what's necessary for cinema adaptation.   
   >   
   > Who are you to pass judgement on what is necessary for cinema adaptation?   
      
   It is necessary NOT to adapt,to be sincere.   
      
   > You are free to share your opinion about matters, but do not make the   
   > mistake to pass it off as facts.   
   >   
   >>  They can perhaps, for example, accept building up Arwen, but not the   
   >>  nonsense with Aragorn in Two Towers; or the idiotic "possession" of   
   >>  Theoden; or the complete mess of the Ents; or the complete travesty of   
   >>  Denethor's character...the list's endless.   
   >   
   > It is also filled to the brim with minor details that doesn't change the   
   > story being told. I have discussed it many times before, so I won't now.   
   >   
   >>  That minority might not be as tiny as you suggest   
   >   
   > It is. We're talking about a insignificanlt small number of people that   
   > wish the movies were never made, and new ones should be made in their   
   > place. Even most purists know this is folly and wouldn't entertain such   
   > notions.   
      
   No movies should ever have been made,or be made in the future,   
   of Tolkien's books.   
      
   >>  and what if it includes people who know and value the book better than   
   >>  anyone else? Such as Christopher Tolkien himself; and even other Tolkien   
   >>  experts who actually worked on the films. Their views outweigh the   
   >>  majority any day.   
   >   
   > Huh? It is already perfectly clear what Christopher thinks of the movies,   
   > and that has had exactly no impact on the Hobbit movies.   
      
   And that is inexcusable.   
      
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