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   Message 69,345 of 70,346   
   Sandman to Louis Epstein   
   Re: Petition on Change.org   
   04 Jan 14 08:35:57   
   
   From: mr@sandman.net   
      
   In article , Louis Epstein wrote:   
      
   > > > Mike Scott Rohan:   
   > > > Millions upon millions of people can still be wrong.   
   > >   
   > > Sandman:   
   > > We're talking about opinions about movies now, there is no   
   > > "wrong".   
   >   
   > Making movies of Tolkien books is wrong.   
      
   ...says the sole arbiter of right and wrong on this matter, Louis.   
      
   > > Sandman:   
   > > There are unfavorabke or favorable opinions about the movies, and   
   > > the favorable ones outnumber the unfavorable by a vast vast   
   > > amnount.   
   >   
   > And that is appalling and must be constantly,bitterly denounced.   
      
   ...says a bitter man that can't accept reality.   
      
   > > > Mike Scott Rohan:   
   > > > A majority can believe in alien abductions or "the Jewish   
   > > > conspiracy" without making them one iota more true.   
   > >   
   > > Sandman:   
   > > Thiose wouldn't be opinions, those would be facts. People doesn't   
   > > believe that the LOTR movies are factually good, they consider   
   > > them good as a personal opinion.   
   >   
   > And need to be dissuaded.   
      
   ...says someone that think his opinion is worth more than the millions upon   
   millions that disagree with him.   
      
   > > > Mike Scott Rohan:   
   > > > There was a time when the majority wouldn't bother to read a   
   > > > book about hobbits and elves, until it was reduced to a   
   > > > comic-strip extravanganza for them.  The truth is that the   
   > > > majority of the audience enjoys the spectacle in the most vapid   
   > > > possible way,   
   > >   
   > > Sandman:   
   > > Then so be it. You are free to pass judgement on those that are   
   > > looking for an entertaining time at the cinema all you want, but   
   > > it doesn't change the fact that more people enjoy the movies than   
   > > doesn't.   
   >   
   > And none should.   
      
   ...says a man banging his fists on the floor screaming and shouting that   
   it's all them whose wrong!   
      
   > > Sandman:   
   > > I have read all the books many times and can clearly identify the   
   > > difference between the books and the movies, yet I have no problem   
   > > deriving immense pleasure from watching the movies.   
   >   
   > Which means you have no sincere attachment to the books... many of   
   > us do.   
      
   ...says a guy that thinks he has a better understanding of the books which   
   means that his opinion on the matter must be worth more, because he thinks   
   that understanding the books means you have to hate the movies, any movies,   
   based on the books. It is mandatory to him.   
      
   > > > Mike Scott Rohan:   
   > > > without understanding where it came from, and would enjoy, say,   
   > > > a film of Terry Brooks or Lin Carter's infantile Thongor books   
   > > > on the same basis.   
   > >   
   > > Sandman:   
   > > Or the Hunger Games. This is how the world works. People enjoy   
   > > certain things, and people looking to make money out of other   
   > > people's enjoyment are getting better and better at giving them   
   > > what they want.   
   >   
   > Which doesn't make that the right thing to do, when it's warping   
   > someone else's vision.   
      
   ...says the man that thinks he alone can judge what is "right" or "wrong"   
   when it comes to book adaptations.   
      
   > > > Mike Scott Rohan:   
   > > > And another section, while acknowledging those few things, is   
   > > > irritated beyond endurance by the stupidities, coarsenings,   
   > > > reductions to teen moron level and blatant insertions for video   
   > > > game's sake (the fight in Moria, the river run in the new   
   > > > Hobbit) that they embody, far beyond what's necessary for cinema   
   > > > adaptation.   
   > >   
   > > Sandman:   
   > > Who are you to pass judgement on what is necessary for cinema   
   > > adaptation?   
   >   
   > It is necessary NOT to adapt,to be sincere.   
      
   ...says a guy that think his opinion is worth more than millions of others.   
      
   > > > Mike Scott Rohan:   
   > > > That minority might not be as tiny as you suggest   
   > >   
   > > Sandman:   
   > > It is. We're talking about a insignificanlt small number of people   
   > > that wish the movies were never made, and new ones should be made   
   > > in their place. Even most purists know this is folly and wouldn't   
   > > entertain such notions.   
   >   
   > No movies should ever have been made,or be made in the future, of   
   > Tolkien's books.   
      
   ...says the guy whose opinion no one has asked for nor anyone care about.   
      
      
      
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