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   From: the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm   
      
   On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 05:17:32 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:   
   >   
   > In message <210420141737516723%chenrich@monmouth.com>   
   >   Christopher J. Henrich  wrote:   
   > > Also up for explanation is how it came to be destroyed, a few months   
   > > later.   
   >   
   > What? When did this happen?   
   >   
   > > Perhaps Gandalf really had in mind: "*We* cannot destroy Orthanc from   
   > > without (but I know someone who could...)"   
   >   
   > Orthanc was not destroyed in LOTR, so if it was destroyed at some later   
   > time, who by and why?   
      
   I'm with you -- I can't remember Orthanc ever being destroyed.  Merry   
   or Pippin told the other travelers, "Many of the Ents were hurling   
   themselves against the Orthanc-rock; but that defeated them. It is   
   very smooth and hard. Some wizardry is in it, perhaps, older and   
   stronger than Saruman's. Anyway they could not get a grip on it, or   
   make a crack in it; and they were bruising and wounding themselves   
   against it."   
      
   The Ents tried but could not damage the tower of Orthanc, though they   
   ripped up slabs of stone from the outer ring of Isengard "in a   
   leisurely way".   
      
   Maybe it was in the movie?   
      
   Evan Isengard (the outer walls) wasn't really destroyed, though the   
   gates were smashed.  But Orthanc (the tower) was untouched, as far as   
   I can recall.   
      
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