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   From: jcb@inf.ed.ac.uk   
      
   On 2014-06-04, Lewis  wrote:   
   > Of course we are. There is no god is a fact because the contrary to that   
   > cannot be proven. You have to prove something is, you cannot insist   
   > that someone prove something isn't, that is logic 101, first day.   
      
   You've never taken logic 101, or any other logic course, have you?   
   The fact [sic] that truth is not the same as proof is a vital part of   
   any logic course, even a logic 101. And it is one of the most   
   important results of 20th century mathematics that every reasonable   
   logical system can say things that are true, but that it cannot prove.   
      
   > There are no invisible pink unicorns is a fact right up to the point   
   > that there is a proof of invisible pink unicorns.   
      
   You also haven't taken epistemology 101 or even just philosophy 101.   
   You're confusing facts and beliefs.   
      
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