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   From: j@j.j   
      
   "Paul S. Person"  wrote in message   
   news:iqkuo9pqn6jltvb1543b237rach3na6gjc@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:40:55 -0400, Stan Brown   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:41:02 -0700, John wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> "Lewis"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:slrnloqgbm.dp.g.kreme@amelia.local...   
   >>> > Utter crap. "God does not exist" is a factual statement that most   
   >>> > people would not accept; it's still a fact.   
   >>> >   
   >>> But that is also utter crap, because I can state as a fact that "God   
   >>> does   
   >>> exist" just as easily as you can, and it's still a fact   
   >>   
   >>You've both allowed your passions to lead you away from common sense.   
   >   
   > I would say (considering not just that but his other statements) that   
   > Lewis is acting as a religious fanatic would, and John is merely   
   > responding in the same form.   
   >   
   >>The existence or nonexistence of a god or gods cannot be proved. It's   
   >>true that one of "there is a god" or "there is not a god" must be a   
   >>fact, but we are not able to decide which one, in a verifiable way.   
   >>   
   >>I happen to believe that a god does not exist, since there is not the   
   >>slightest shred of evidence that one does. There _is_, of course,   
   >>abundant evidence all around us that an all-powerful and all-   
   >>benevolent god does not exist, so the Christians are certainly wrong.   
   >>But it's still not logically impossible that some sort of divine   
   >>being exists, one that for reasons of its own it is hiding itself   
   >>very effectively. But "not logically impossible" does not mean   
   >>"true".   
   >   
   > I happen to believe the opposite, in respect to the existence of God,   
   > but I do agree that it cannot be proven or disproven.   
   >   
   > Which I take as a sign of sanity or, at least, a lack of fanaticism.   
   > --   
   > "Nature must be explained in   
   > her own terms through   
   > the experience of our senses."   
      
   Yes Paul - I agree with you!!  But I also have to add that if Lewis "feels"   
   that God does not exist (and who am I to _prove_  otherwise), how does he   
   explain or feel about the existance of the Universe? The existance of the   
   Universe is a fact - the quandry then lies in explaining what is it?   
      
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