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   From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
      
   On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 04:51:33 +0000 (UTC), Lewis   
    wrote:   
      
   >In message <91luo91pg8ecuhecms1ad2s45n386gchg2@4ax.com>   
   >  Paul S  Person  wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 20:16:44 +0200, Taemon  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>On 1-6-2014 18:58, Paul S. Person wrote:   
   >>>> On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:38:56 +0200, Taemon  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 27-5-2014 18:57, Paul S. Person wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Mon, 26 May 2014 23:08:40 +0200, Taemon  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>Hey,   
   >>>   
   >>>I'm really busy for a couple of days and won't have the headspace to   
   >>>have this discussion properly. I'll be back later. Still enjoying it :-)   
   >   
   >> No problem, but you might want to have it with Lewis, who appears to   
   >> believe that you can't possible adopt the position you have adopted   
   >> because no one can be allowed to do so. That's right, I said   
   >> "allowed", because that, I think, best summarizes his attitude.   
   >   
   >People are not allowed to state that their beliefs, fantasies, and   
   >opinions are facts when they are not. that I would agree with.   
      
   Well you'd have to, wouldn't you, since you described your own belief that God   
   does not exist as a "fact". It is, too, if it is what you in fact believe.   
      
   What is a "fact" depends very much on where you are and the point of view from   
   which you see things.   
      
   I can say that it is a fact that the sun rose this morning, but someone might   
   argue that that is not a fact, since I saw it from the earth, and the earth is   
   rotating in such a way that the sun happened to become visible to me.   
      
   So when you see things from the point of view of someone standing on this   
   rotating ball of mud, they look a bit different from what they do to someone   
   observing our solar system from beyond the orbit of Pluto, which no human   
   being ever has done.   
      
   Not only does it depend on  where you are in the solar system, it depends on   
   what universe you inhabit, or place yourself in for the moment.   
      
   It is a fact that hobbits live in The Shire and not in Mordor.   
      
   At least it is if you place yourself in the universe of Tolkien's Middle   
   Earth.   
      
      
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