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   From: g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies   
      
   In message    
     Wayne Brown  wrote:   
   > In alt.fan.tolkien Lewis  wrote:   
   >> In message <91luo91pg8ecuhecms1ad2s45n386gchg2@4ax.com>   
   >>  Paul S  Person  wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 20:16:44 +0200, Taemon  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>On 1-6-2014 18:58, Paul S. Person wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:38:56 +0200, Taemon  wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 27-5-2014 18:57, Paul S. Person wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Mon, 26 May 2014 23:08:40 +0200, Taemon  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Hey,   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I'm really busy for a couple of days and won't have the headspace to   
   >>>>have this discussion properly. I'll be back later. Still enjoying it :-)   
   >>   
   >>> No problem, but you might want to have it with Lewis, who appears to   
   >>> believe that you can't possible adopt the position you have adopted   
   >>> because no one can be allowed to do so. That's right, I said   
   >>> "allowed", because that, I think, best summarizes his attitude.   
   >>   
   >> People are not allowed to state that their beliefs, fantasies, and   
   >> opinions are facts when they are not. that I would agree with.   
      
   > People are allowed to state whatever they wish about their beliefs and   
   > what they accept as fact.  And you're allowed to disagree with them.   
   > Welcome to the free world.   
      
   Facts are not opinions. Stating opinion as fact is not a matter of   
   freedom, it is a matter of ignorance. People are *free* to call pigs   
   butterflies, but they're still pigs, and I will freely tell anyone who   
   calls a pig a butterfly that they are wrong, and anyone who calls their   
   opinion of belied a fact that they are wrong.   
      
   --   
   People who would not believe a High Priest if he said the sky was blue,   
   and was able to produce signed affidavits to this effect from his   
   white-haired old mother and three Vestal virgins, would trust just about   
   anything whispered darkly behind their hand by a complete stranger.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)