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   From: taxalot@journalismetotal.fr   
      
   > Is this "men who are so easily corrupted?" from the book? Or is it   
   > just an abomination of PJ & accomplices? I ask because it sounds an   
   > awful lot like a quote from Galadriel's voiceover at the start of the   
   > first /LOTR/ movie.   
   	   
   	Maybe, maybe not. I do not care much if it's in the movie or not ; it's   
   a fact. Isildur. Ar-Pharazon. Boromir. Denethor and probably lots I   
   cannot remember ; Tolkien's legendarium is filled with Men who would do   
   anything out of the fear of their own death.   
      
   	Is there something inherently wrong with what I wrote, or did you just   
   feel like mocking those movies, because, heh, movies ? Is this   
   condescension I feel in your post ?   
      
   > IIRC, in the books (not necessarily /LOTR/ and certainly not /TH/),   
   > the Istaris were sent /specifically/ to help Men defeat Sauron. What,   
   > if anything, PJ & accomplices come up with in the third Hobbit movie   
   > remains to be seen (literally). But I could be wrong.   
      
   	Nobody is talking about the movies here, except you.   
      
   	But to the point, my memory is slightly fuzzy here. I remember Gandalf   
   being afraid of Sauron before being sent to Middle-Earth and the Valar   
   saying it should be for this very special reason that he should go.   
      
   	However, I also specifically remember a lot of confusion about Dol   
   Guldur and what was there ; which is quite strange because they were   
   supposedly sent on the land for this very purpose. Gandalf went to Dol   
   Guldur TWICE and only the second time he was able to confirm the   
   Necromancer was indeed, Sauron.   
      
   	Which begs the question : what the hell were the Istari doing during   
   all this time ? Being sent to Middle Earth to defeat Sauron and then   
   stumbling randomly on him centuries later, and acting completely shocked ?   
      
      
   	   
      
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